The ‘original’ was the first patch. If you’re going to nitpick people’s words, waste somebody else’s time.
You watched one of the written Blizzard articles? “Jesus, what kind of statement is that”?
You first.
I watched the Blizzard panel, on youtube, where they talked about this. If that was to hard to comprehend.
The rest of your post isn’t even worth bothering with…
Which isn’t what I was talking about, it was one of the written articles that Blizzard released in 2018, wherein they were posting their thoughts about the progress of the Classic project without actually posting updates; because they had no updates at that time.
None of yours ever was. Again:
One would assume the sentiments reflected on their YouTube channels, interviews, and written articles would echo each other though anyways, rdf wasn’t really ever considered for tbc and vanilla because it was never in originally.
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I got some arguments about removing and how would it effect the game how about them?
But before you do let me say bad things about RDF and how might change the things works;
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Cross realm dungeons making you will be alienate towards your group and it was also suck back then. Solution make it realm based.
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%15 dmg, healing and damage buff making heroic content even easier ( it was already easy when it came up ) also makes leveling faster ( which frankly not seeing any bad sides of making leveling faster but let’s say you may ). Solution remove the buff.
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Constant badge farming that makes pre raid phase faceroll not retail like at all. Solution implementing a personal saved system to bosses so there will no lockouts but you will enter boss drop some stuff but you can’t roll or traded for it till dungeon resets.
That’s the things that RFD can “break” the game and change it dynamics but heck a player can think of solutions Blizzard can solve even better.
The worst thing you people is just do not understand why it’s removed on the first place. Yes there was meme that Jeff did but social stuff like %15 of the reason and the main reason is it makes leveling so so much easier and people level up fast get in to northernd quick and that effects boosted lvl 68s sell margine. If you can’t see that well you missing some planks and nails up there but if you still see it, accept the negative effects of RFD but can’t see how easy to fix those things and still you are completely fine with removing RFD well you are hypocrite, supporting boosts and supporting bots that will ruin Wotlk like TBC did.
And they’ve always echoed an anti-RDF stance, have they not?
Blizzard finally dealing with the automated software that allowed multiboxing should really enlighten people on Blizzard’s stance on “automated” ; within Classic at least.
Look through the post history of all of us that are against the automated dungeon finder and then tell me how many of us supported bots and boosts.
I’d be surprised if you could even find one.
I would say that they never really took a side before now because they never really needed to and many people assumed that we’d get rdf in wotlk anyways, because it was originally in the game. They said often times that they wanted to preserve the original experience as much as possible. To the point where they created fake latency for vanilla lol.
Well you are tho with supporting anti RDF so people will buy boosts from store and due that people still do bots. But thanks not saying one single argument about why RFD is bad and proving me that you are just a hypocrite living in fantasy that tool that only supports you for leveling and when you first dinged to 80 breaks the game. Yeah man I hope you will enjoy the whole tbc 5 man LFG/LFM experience again in WotLK.
With that I assume you would like them to remove the auto queue for BG’s as well?
Or are you just being a hypocrite?
What kind of half baked logic is that? I’m against the automated dungeon finder, the system that automatically grouped you with random players from any realm, then teleported you all straight inside the dungeon.
I’m not against people farming dungeons to level. How do you think I’m going to power level to 80 in WoTLK? Dungeons. >.>
I didn’t respond to the rest of your comment because it’s incredibly difficult to read and I was having a hard time understanding what you were even trying to say. It looks like you’ve already listed some reasons as to why RDF is bad and then you said “but they dont count lol!”
By that logic, why do you think it’s good? Because you don’t want to spend ages looking for players? Play on a mega server, easy. Problem solved.
Wasn’t a problem for me, I had no issues finding groups and I even played fury in phase 1. It’ll be even easier in WoTLK to find groups since specs are balanced better and the heroics are easy as pie.
Are you referring to the battlemasters in cities, or are you referring to Retail’s “queue from whereever you want” system?
Being able to queue for battlegrounds in cities didn’t do any long term damage to the game, unlike the dungeon finder.
Do you have a jar full of random nonsense arguments or do you just make them up as you go along?
Oh wow. I’m so done with you…
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Logic comes from understanding why the main reason we have no RDF and going forward from them. No rdf >>> harder leveling >>> more boosts selling >>> more bots there will be in dungeons or farming outside.
So like I said if you do it “only on your realm” problem would be solved. Wow actually shocked that I am same page with you so nice.
No I listed the damage can RDF can do the Wotlk and gave solution ideas that already doable and game already has it. If you don’t just list yours what would be lose by gaining RDF for our wotlk experience? What it would take from us?
Also you keep saying “automated” a lot so do you enjoy seeing spams for LF tank for X dungeon all the time on general and trade chat? Would you miss it if they gone is that your problem about it so if we find people manually that would be okay but if game finds it omg AI will take over the world kinda stuff?
That’s you do and I am not even cared about one bit about find a heroic groups cause I will make them and I will be tank but I am speaking terms of majority and people that starting on later phases. I did say this on my first comment. Do you really think our toxic social interacted community would accept full blue newly dinged 80 that has 190 ilvl or do you think they will want you to have let’s say ulduar epics etc ? What will be happen what do you think?
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Was that in your jar too?
The main reason we’re not getting RDF has absolutely nothing to do with botting or boosting. The conclusion you’ve jumped to is the same as assuming that I must like Justin Beiber simply because I dislike Slipknot.
Slower, not harder. We still have heirlooms, dungeons are still easy to farm, we still get exp from battlegrounds, we still get nerfed classic+TBC exp and content. We just don’t instantly teleport from one dungeon to another.
Except the bots can’t sell boosts any more. Or did you miss the part where player boosting took a massive hit? As for the god awful boosts that Blizzard sell; those are one per account.
The whole reason the dungeon finder was made in the first place was because of realms that had so few people on that it was hard to find groups.
You don’t see a problem with trying to fix so many things wrong with a system just so that you can sit in a city and teleport to dungeons all day long?
Yes. I don’t like automated game play. Problem?
Most people use “World” chat. But yes, I do prefer that.
This sentence makes no sense to me.
I think you’re greatly over exaggerating. People aren’t going to ask for full Ulduar gear for entry level WoTLK heroics. Some TBC heroics were stupidly overtuned; WoTLK heroics are easier than TBC normals. Everybody knows that.
Slow sometimes means harder but also harder due to lack of %15 dmg buff.
And we are still travelling all round azeroth till we are 58 with at least mounts this time. So if I don’t have a group of people with me to farm dungeons it will much slower then with an RDF.
Also people were in ICC content and not really needed the heroics anymore and if you are fresh and coming to get some gears through hcs, get some emblems and then go into some ToC etc but if you can’t farm triumphs emblems you can’t right so it was a catch up mechanic and convenient thing that implemented for new players.
Well you are saying this but also saying that you are leveling by simply spamming dungeons. So if I wanna do that I have to find 4 more people otherwise I can’t? Cause people will log off, go have dinner, make love with their partners so party won’t stay long as much as premade ones. So spamming dungeons is not wrong but spamming them while you wait for queue let say in capital as you pointing is wrong? Why? Maybe that guy don’t really like questing and wanna do dungeon farm so why are you so hostile towards his fun?
Yeah because I click to find I click to join then I play the game. Not AI not anything I need to do the dungeon. Also you may don’t like it it’s okay you can still find your group via LFG or Trade or in General or from guildies and you may use RFD or not does the game removes the non automated system by adding automation on finding members? No. Then if I am saying I don’t like to spam at least 10-15 minutes to get my party going got a problem with that? Cause I don’t got with yours.
Nope I don’t cause I saw people doing so maybe it won’t like you said maybe it will like I said or maybe you get a lol ilvl guy in party for daily dungeon then one good geared person whispers you, let’s say %30 of the time that low geared kicked from group because people would prefer done with their daily hc faster right?
Then I am asking you for the third time tell us what is the reason(s) that we are not having RFD ? Tell us what would be affected by having it ?
Before you do tho it was implemented later on not a valid reason cause they implementing tons of stuff that was not in present on launch also with new stuff Hodir dailies giving badges, some quest chains giving badges and a goodie bag contains pots and elixirs.
As a new player who started the game roughly one month ago, I have to say that I really don’t enjoy constantly typing or spamming in /4 LFG, it takes a long time, and this period of time is purely wasted IMO. I think RDF would make the game does a better job. Like you said if there is a buff to the RDF that “returning” players don’t like, Blizz should consider removing it.
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The debuff wasn’t added until Cataclysm anyway. No debuff was required in WoTLK, the content was stupidly easy from day one.
That makes no sense what so ever. The dungeon finder worked from lvl15 onwards, it was actually the reason why the Cataclysm revamp was such a waste of development time; Blizzard redid all the odl zones to make levelling easier and more coherent, yet power grinding dungeons and never leaving Stormwind/Orgrimmar was more efficent.
RDF had nothing to do with catchup mechanics; the emblem rewards were the same anyway. The first random dungeon per day was a replacement for the daily heroic quest; which was removed when RDF was added.
Because I have to actually communicate with the people that I’m playing with? Because we have to be out in the world together at some point? Because I’m actually going to see them again instead of them essentially being some nameless NPCs?
Look, some of your sentences make absolutely no sense what so ever.
But here’s the thing; you’re telling me that I should play at a disadvantage because I don’t like an overpowered system. That is some terrible logic.
RDF won’t stop any of that anyway, you know there’s a votekick system, right? You know premade groups of 4 can sign up and then randomly kick players right before the last boss, right?
Blizzard have said their reason, they don’t feel that RDF is healthy for the game as a whole.
And I agree with that sentiment. I want to see how this game can progress without automated systems. RDF absolutely crippled Cataclysm and is also the reason we have the raid finder in retail.
Dailies don’t give badges. The quests that give badges are the ones that drag players into a new shard, that’s Blizzard’s attempt at getting players into the same shard.
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This toon is only gonna be prot pve.
If i was dps i would have no chance on having any requirements for my groups:P
Leveling with a priest friend of mine, who is healing ofc, and he wants SP gear. IF both of us got the gear we want/need from the dungeon, we might consider inviting plate/cloth dps. (allthough i still think all plate dps should have tanking OS while leveling)
I am talking about Luck of the Draw buff which was added in 3.3.0 you can check wiki also going entrance of the dungeon and finding people to the dungeon makes it much more slower than RDF.
How does it make it no sense? Idc about cata and your problem with LFR or other stuff. If there is simply no RDF and if experience gain Blizzlike we are playing vanilla all over again but lessen not too much but still a vanilla stuff all over again. Ask me why and I can tell you cause already did that on servers that had no RFD.
Yes it did. You could select X specific dungeon and you will be saved to it put if you want to do random you could get into that X again and get second time chance get the loots so basically you can spam heroics all day get badges get ToC vendor gear get t9 and so on also due to most of the people just doing daily hcs there were not enough players on servers for new players to farm hcs. So it was catch up mechanic again due to " you can spam hc all day long if you choosing random ".
That’s you it’s okay. Maybe I don’t want it and from you quoting again, “problem?”
Well at least we agree on RFD is convenient and nice to have cheers for that.
So nothing really changes from communication stand point. Thanks that pointing out we have toxic environment in game and it’s also 3 premade is enough not 4.
So they are saying basically keeping the social interaction intact, experience the world you are agreeing with those so like I said they can make RFD only on your server not in crossrealm or other stuff only only on your server here is your social interaction still preserving itself like whole day but as you point out people will kick other people with their premades if they want to OW! At least on RFD you need 3 people to do that but w/o RFD leader can just kick you so yeah RFD has better for people keeping their spots.
You are saying the RFD worst thing happened to wow. Do you know how often people use RFD? Only when leveling, when they wanna do hcs for items ( which only useful when new expansion comes after that there are catch up mechanics that gives higher ilvl items), and LFR that’s it. That’s the “automated” part of retail. You recruiting people like LFG bulletin board we are having, you travelling to dungeon and summon your buddies so RFD not really using at all then what is the thing that it makes everything wrong?
One of the things w/o RFD will do this. There will be more people like Pepsicoke just wants to try game but he got sick of people cause there are tons people like you said can kick you just before the last boss but there are no RFD and I think there is much less 3 guys coming together and kicking people before end boss than just one person kicking a person just before boss.
RFD is simple, useful, unbias, easy to understand, easy to navigate, you don’t have to know every entrance to every dungeon so better for new players, better experience and makes close to zero effect when you ding 80. It’s making dungeons easier with the Luck of the Draw buff but it can be removal, it could make amount of people ninja items higher so it can be strictly available for the server itself and these problems can be solved. But because you don’t like to get auto fill random people in your party people like Pepsicoke will most probably quit the game. Then after that tell me you don’t care these new people and I will go back to reason that you are agree with Blizzard that “RFD interrupts social interaction” and you will be just a hypocrite. You are about the people that play wow so much that you just don’t care simply if they quit or not.
You can read the first post and these are my arguments that what will be happen when we play w/o RDF and you can’t say I am wrong with any one of them cause there is already a guy saying gonna only invite the people that won’t need his gear, there is Pepsicoke already saying finding parties takes a long time and it’s not enjoyable for new players so you will have the wotlk you want but you people will face the things that I am saying. It’s already began.
So I have no intention of debating you anymore but you are very welcome to comment or reply w/e you want. You just have to see it and experience the going Tanaris for CoS all over again or flying till Ulduar to summon people for HoS or HoL or after you finish your gundrak run in 15 minutes due to have no cd you gonna love flying back to dalaran. Plus if you hate automation so much be a man of your world and never use Wind/Griffin riders. They are automated too xD
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Oooooor make your own group.
Ow really noone really thought about that. Thanks 