Prove me i am wrong :
The RDF killed the social: In 2010 maybe, in 2022 not. Wotlk private servers that disabled RDF proved it, TBC too, the “You think you do but you don’t” has never been so true.
The RDF has killed the social bis: The RDF tool allows to empty the channels in order to let us speak freely on it, today the channel is spammed with announcements and if we have the misfortune to speak for fun we are insulted or ignored
RDF is a tool, therefore not RP: The BG tag when slacking in front of an NPC or via the tool has never bothered anyone and it dates from Vanilla
With the RDF people socialize less to group: Spammer “LF last tank for” with a reply in pm “Hi +1”, is not sociable. In addition, the Salute in question is still retrieved via the RDF once TP in the dungeon and/or grouped automatically, it’s just politeness
With RDF people no longer talk in dungeons: RDF does not impact a person’s willingness to talk in dungeons, and this has been proven once again on Wotlk who disabled RDF. What makes players socialize in the dungeon is the combination of discovery + difficulty
The cross-server RDF has killed the social: True, and we can very well not activate this feature, however we are already drowned in the mass since the servers are 2 to 3x more populated than at the time , in other words this defect is already implemented natively. In addition, the BGs are cross-server since Vanilla, and it has never bothered anyone
With RDF I can’t group manually: False, you can make an announcement in the channel, group them and tag. Or go there on foot if you wish, it’s a principle called the Walk-in
With the RDF I can’t make friends and keep them in contact: False, nothing prevents it, however there is no reason for others to keep in touch while the dungeon is clean in 15min chrono
The RDF which allows TP in the dungeon is bad: True when you discover the game, False when you have played 10 years of play. The Wotlk private servers which have disabled the RDF have proven it, 5min of auto fly in afk Alt+Tab Google
The RDF allows abuse of kicks: False, there is a 15min cooldown before the first kick, in other words the dungeon is already clean at this time. While a manual group gives full power to the lead and can kick at the slightest whim (lack of dps, no cc, not enough stuff, too much of the same type of stuff to need etc.) Worse yet, a person can leave the group without ANY penalty, once they get the loot they want right in the middle of the dungeon, imagine that if it’s a dps that tag tank to make it faster, roll dps, gain the loot and quit, with the RDF the person gets the “deserter” for 30min.
RDF is not Classic: Indeed, that’s why Classic ERA exists, a server that has been neglected by its own fan base apparently “the best version of WoW”
If you want RDF, go to Retail: If you don’t want RDF, go back to Classic ERA, the server you abandoned and which was nevertheless el famoso “the best version of WoW”. The RDF is part of Wotlk.
It’s Classic not retail: Wrong, it’s Wotlk, just stop.
Players will prefer soloQ RDF to get the buff 15% : Ok just remove the buff then.
RDF should be implemented with ICC only : Wrong, RDF was a part of 40-45% of the total Wotlk life, and RDF is not a dg/raid content, it’s just a tool so as the game is in 3.3.5 it has to be in day one, exactly as the fly is 150%, 1.5sc casting, double spec, no CD every 3 days to craft an Titan Bar and 200 others things that we can list.
For more exemplaination read that =>Yes and we did not have these things until ICC
- Summoning Stones: To use any Summoning stone, a character must be at least level 15. There is no maximum level to use these meeting stones.
- Health and Mana Regeneration: These regeneration rates have been increased up to 200% for low level characters. As the character level increases, regeneration rates gradually decrease, until returning to normal rates at level 15.
- Troll and Orc shaman totems now have their own unique appearance.
- Nerfed Oculus
- The distance at which these health bars are visible to players has been increased by 40 yards. (oh wait, isn’t already enabled on TBC ?
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- The speed of improving the Norfendre reputations has been increased by approximately 30%.
Yes and we did not have these things until ToC
- Cast duration to summon any ground mount is now 1.5 seconds, down from 3 seconds.
- The skill Apprentice Rider (75) can now be learned at level 20 for 4 gold. A letter will be sent to characters reaching level 20 to direct them to the riding master.
Companion Rider skill (150) can now be learned at level 40 for 50 gold. A letter will be sent to characters reaching level 40 to send them again to the riding master.
The Expert Rider skill (225) can now be learned at level 60 for 600 gold from Honor Hold or Thrallmar masters. Faction discounts are now applied (Honour Hold for the Alliance, Thrallmar for the Horde). Flight speed at this skill level increased to 150% of run speed from 60%.
Artisan Rider Skill (300): Faction discounts are now applied (Honor Hold or Valor Expedition for the Alliance, Thrallmar or Warsong Offensive for the Horde).
To continue harmonizing the number of mounts available for purchase for each race, a new 60% speed ground mount has been added for night elves, and a new 100% speed ground mount has been added for Forsaken.- Object comparisons: by pressing the Shift key. while hovering over an item with the mouse now displays the stat differences from the currently equipped item in the corresponding slot.
- Portals have been added to Orgrimmar and Stormwind to lead players to the Stairs of Destiny at the Dark Portal.
- A new zeppelin dock has been added to Thunder Bluffs to allow Horde players easier travel to and from Orgrimmar.
- The local mail department got tired of walking so far each day to collect mail and decided to install a large number of new mailboxes in Stormwind, Undercity, Darnassus and Orgrimmar.
- All stackable potions are now stackable by 20.
Yes and we did not have these things until Ulduar
- All ground mounts can now swim without unhorsing their rider. Flying mounts still cannot swim and dismount their rider when entering water.
- DOUBLE SPEC
- Applying a glyph no longer requires being near a Lexicon of Power. The same rules apply for changing glyphs
- Players no longer need to complete the Nat Pagle, Extreme Angler quest to become Artisan Anglers. The quest rewards you with a special premium fishing rod. Players who have already completed this quest can visit Nat Pagle in Dustwallow Marsh to receive this new fishing rod.
RDF is not a RAID or a DUNGEON, it’s a mecanic/parameter like all i listed before.
You just want a CUSTOM WOTLK, you don’t like this game, go to Classic ERA and stop trying to ruin our game.
Even as a dps and a casual player, i don’t mind RDF being gone. The group finder tool gives us the option of choosing with whom you want to group up and to me, having more options is always more desirable.
One could make an argument that both RDF and group finder tool could coexist, or that with RDF you can still make your own group.
While technically true, people tend to take the path of least resistance. So the RDF would naturally eat up the pool of players from group finder, resulting in group finder having too few groups / players to choose from, ultimately making RDF the only choice = no choice with whom you group up.
To summarize, to me it’s a choice between convenience and having control over with whom you group up. And i prefer to have the latter (at the cost of convenience).
Without RDF, the solution to boost your GS is actually simple.
Skip 5mans (there are no attunements for raids), RMT and go buy everything in naxx/OS GDKPs. Botters happy, goldsellers happy, buyers happy. They are the only ones that matter to Blizzard anyway.
Random insignificant basement dwellers who like to stare at an add-on for hours, can sit on their PC all day to find a group, who cares.
Sure, instead of fixing a problem by banning bots, gold sellers and gold buyers let’s instead add a feature that won’t actually help but also add another whole lot of problems.
Yeah, go tell Blizzard that they should lose income by banning the bots, so that you are pleased.
So you’re fine with bots.
You got me, damn it. Or maybe I did 10+ reports for the same bots farming in the same places for a week now and nothing changed.
And why do you care if I’m fine with bots, anyway. What matters is that Blizzard is more than fine with bots, get it into your head and stop hoping they will ban them.
Cold weather flying tome being added in at the start does affect social, it greatly reduces the amount of people we will see out in the open world past the first wave or so of people to 80z Everyone will just fly around after that.
Noticed a concern regarding rogues/hunters for getting invited to groups. I personally will basically only invite hunter/rogue/enhance/ferals to my group, since i want the plate gear and my healer want caster gear.
And i really hope all the plate-wearers get annoyed and start tanking, nothing annoys me more than seeing plate dps complaining about lack of tanks…
Take it you’re a ret pala? Then wouldn’t you want some leather pieces as well, better itemized for dps then some plate items? That would take away the rogues/ferals and possibly enhance/hunters too from your groups… 
False.
My fondest memories of WoTLK all happened before the dungeon finder was added. We don’t need it, at all. The game can evolve better without it.
Do you need a list of what we don’t need at all ?
Wrong argument then.
Tell you what, you write me a list of things that haven’t been added to the game and I’ll tell you whether or not we “need” them. Fair?
The first half of WoTLK functioned perfectly fine without the automated dungeon finder. Not adding the dungeon finder offers Blizzard the opportunity to continue with future expansions in a similar style of Classic, rather than just continuing down the same timeline retail followed; where the majority of the playerbase leave mid Cata.
Your list of what we do not need is real good stuff - WE DO NOT NEED ALL THAT at launch!
You are here to argument to remove RDF because we don’t need at all.
Then remove everything that’s not needed.
So as you are the puller here then you are free to do the list for me, enjoy.
Here some help to do the list :
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Patch
This is the first problem, you are talking in the past.
As i said on many posts, you’re toxic hypocrite selfish community from Vanilla want to appropriate all expansions.
Stay on your Classic ERA and stop changing our game as you didn’t let us change your Classic before.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
First and foremost, dungeon finder hasn’t been removed. It’s just not been included; which is something Blizzard talked about when when first announced Classic several years back; this shouldn’t be a surprise to any of you.
You jumped into an argument that I started with a different poster, if you wish for me to continue with YOUR argument, it is YOUR duty to supply the details of said arguing topic.
Gee wizz, it’s almost like we’re playing a game from the past. Who knew.
My Classic DID get changed.
It sure WAS changed!
Actually Blizzard is removing it, as it was in the original and wont be in now. Hence, it is removed.
Your assumption is that Blizzard talked about never ever have RDF. When it’s far more likely Blizzard talked about vanilla classic. As themselves hardly knew, at that point, that classic would be this successful and get to wotlk at all.
It wasn’t in the original at all. It was added during the ICC content patch. Literally half way through the expansion, the very last bloody phase.
I assume nothing, I remember reading what Blizzard were saying when they were first talking about Classic’s design philosophy. They said that certain features from future expansions that they found damaging to the game as a whole may not be added; and they specified the dungeon finder as an example.
Jesus, what kind of statement is that. It wasn’t in at all, but it was in with ICC…
Yea I watched that just a couple of weeks ago. They were talking about Vanilla classic and to paraphrase him he said something like “Obviously not”. Because why you think? Could it be that RDF wasn’t in Vanilla to begin with, so obvioulsy it wont be in vanilla classic.
Come up with some real arguments instead of this nonsense.