You have a point here. I personally like Kalimdor and EK with mixed zones. More variety. Thus, I won’t object to Blizz changing their mind^^
Well I think Aethil phrased it better than I could anyway, but just to add on to that;
That would be setting a precedent where it is acceptable to call in retribution for any previous incidents at any time, even in the face of Armageddon. Further to that, that it would be acceptable to use all soldiers under your command at that time to do so, even those who had nothing to do with said prior incidents and against those that included folks who had nothing to do with it.
That’s a heck of a slippery slope. By this logic I could argue Teldrassil is in response to vengeance landing. Or the human incursions into forsaken lands in pre-cata hillsbrad. Or the outright invasion they planned in Post-cata hillsbrad. But I have to disagree and instead agree with Aethil’s response to you, that one seemed pretty on the money to me.
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normally the one making the accusation has to verify it. And he still attacked an Ally against Orders by his direct superior. Anduin didn’t punish the attack and by that condoned it. Since attacking someone is an act of war, the Alliance started it.
I still think Sylvanas should (and could) have made peace after the Legion was done, but ignoring Genn’s attack is not really fair.
By that logic, the Forsaken would attack Stormwind^^
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You’ll find no argument from me that teldrassil was just a bad target. There are lore reasons but if I am real I have a massive anti-human bias in warcraft.
They are over represented and are typically much less interesting than any of the other alliance races. The only silver lining is we are finally being shown the bad*sses that night elves were made out to be in war3.
Stormwind was unreachable as stated in the Novellas, the only Chance for the Horde to win a war was attacking the only Kalimdor-Stronghold the Alliance had.
And since both are part of the Alliance it was viable (not sensible, but viable) to attack Teldrassil.
Burning it is another point, that was just plain stupid.
That makes sense but it seems to me securing everything north of Arathi and using that bridge as chokepoint to control that entire region is a sound strategy. Plenty of humies and dwarves to fight there.
In a never ending warfront.
Blizzard must act in a good way if they truly mean to use them in 8.2, as per this article referencing the nightborne, void elves and the bit about night elves.
They sent scouting force to Siluthus, when Night Elves hold Feralas, with Shandris Feathermoon in charge, yet Tyrande Decides to scatter her army and send her 2 ships a month!
Remember they had eyes in Orgrimmar and info about Silithus and Horde wanting to secure Azerite. They were not proviking war, they were reastablishing forces in answer to agresssion, which was silly in my opinion. All that spy system was handled so badly by Alliance, knowing Horde knew abojt their spies in Orgrimmar, yet they started to amass the army in front of their noses. Mathaias Shaw has not heard of missinformation before. Especially when all the info was directed to a single goblin.
Thats not why Sylvanas started the war. She started it because she does not believe in peace between two factions and sooner or later the war would come and in fear of Alliance being stronger they took a shot.
She jumped the conclusions once again, as yet none of the big Alliance city leaders wanted war!
To add on here, she started it due to some thought process that the Alliance were using Darnassus to safe-port Azerite into Kalimdor, which is completely ridiculous and goes against exactly what Malfurion and Tyrande said at the end of Legion, after Illidan said goodbye.
Both are credible as well, especially Malfurion, when it comes to protecting the land.
To add on also, the CC are in Silithus with the ER, trying to heal Azeroth and who’s the leader of the CC…?
Well you aren’t wrong. I suppose it will come down to who wins it in the canon. Actually rooting for Alliance in Darkshore myself, so long as we put up a good fight, I’m good with that.
Wouldn’t you say that fear is understandable given the attack in stormheim? They literally dropped out of the sky and tore the forsaken fleet a new one, then we (horde) are expected to forget it happened?
I don’t disagree that she has other motivations and may have even done something like this had stormheim not happened. But since it did I’m not sure you can claim that’s not why the war was started as a definite.
Very good question.
I´m not after vengeance.
I would like to see a rebuild of Teldrassil. It would be fitting to the story, and would mean the older cities would get an update. Similar could happen to Undercity.
I can´t imagine leaving Battle for Azeroth and not get this. Blizzard has appeared almost giddy when they time and time again has said the “wait for it” phrase, which means, whatever we have in store will be worth the loss.
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No she did not only use Stormheim she went all the way back to old hatreds to provoke Saurfang to go to war with Alliance, you see she is manipulative and she does it well.
As for Stormheim as it was said before, Greymane had not one but two reasons to attack her the attack did not come unjustified. Was he right or wrong ? Thats another matter.
And no nobody is asking you to forget anything, peace is difficult to achieve and demands of both parties must be met. Negotiated. Not jumping on throat over and over again.
So you are saying that peace must be negotiated and no-one should jump on the throat but in the same post defend Genn for doing exactly that.
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Defend Genn ? It was Anduins decision nit to punish him, from his inexperience or personal attachment to man.
This could easily be demanded from Sylvanas for Greymane answer for his in Stormheim if there was some chance for peace. Forcing Anduin to take action, sacrifice bug piece on his board to achieve his goal. Remove him from any military power. That would have driven the samilar wedge between Anduin and Genn, she was looking for.
Remember Genn and Worgen are refugees in Stormwind and they would have to eventually go with Stormwinds politics.
That would make Alliance more devided and Horde united under one cause.
So you agree that Genn’s attack in Stormheim was unjustified then?
How I see Stormheim is mix of personal hatred to Sylvanas for Gilneas and his son and the assumption of Horde’s actions in broken shore.
It was rushed and driven with personal goals, not unjust and without reason. But imo wrong time. Up until the last cutscene of the zone.
It’s a complex one, because Genn didn’t have the orders to strike at the Horde, when the world was being invaded, but Sylvanas being Sylvanas, was up to something and it turns out, wanted to enslave the Val’kyr of Stormheim, which was an offense against them.
Also, making dodgy deals with Helya…I’d say Stormheim is complex.
Should a commander of military forces allow his own personal feelings and agenda to dictate his course of action? Or should he act on things without verified intelligence? Seems to be what you are advocating is acceptable as therefore justifies Genn’s action at least in part.
I see Stormheim as Genn going totally out of control and instigating a war in the middle of the end of the world. As it turns out Sylvanas was up to something it’s all written off as justified despite the fact that Genn knew nothing of this until well into the second half of the events in Stormheim. I actually see this as one of the clearest examples of how the alliance are protected from repercussions where in the roles reverse horde characters are much more likely to be vilified and killed off.
Independently, I would say, eh. Plot. This happens occasionally to the forsaken, it’s just something you have to accept if you play them. But given this is the precursor to BFA well, no actually. Now it’s really bad that this isn’t acknowledged by anyone espeically when so many are dumping everything at the forsaken’s feet. I’m going to call BS where I see it and…
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And anyway its not important if I or any Alliance sympathiser sees it as just or not! Point is Sylvanas can deffenetly demand some answers from Anduin about Genns actions of defiance and try to drive wedge between two, while also playing the peace game.