What would make the alliance more popular?

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Racials really. I know that Alliance racial curently are stronger than Hordes, but that isnt enough, so why do i say racials, well its not just the racials in the first tier in SL Blizzard made every fight to have a bleed mechanic in order for the kyrian covenant ability to be viable however dwarves and dark irons can use their racials to cleanse the bleed aswell, top guilds are even considering switching to alliance for the tier (not saying it will happen 100% but they are considering). So we need the next few tiers to be like this and people will start to move over, however this will only cause the reverse effect from now where Alliance is overpopulated and Horde is strugling, there is no way to fix the imbalance now because people have seen how much easier and accesible is to just stick with 1 faction. The only real way to fix the imbalance is cross faction grouping.

Oh another thing could be classes restricted to factions like in Classic. So lets say Horde get Shadowhunters and Alliance get Wardens, however this mught again cause more harm then good depending on balance.

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Let night elves move while in shadowmeld!

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Just let us get rid of the trash elves and take silver moon , there won’t be any better feeling than a blood debt unpayed finally payed with the blood of scummish traitrors :smile:

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The alliance racials are not stronger at all. They are balanced.

If they buff them substancially, high end raiders will faction change and eventually others as well.

But, you know. This is just swinging the pendulum one way or another. But, currently i don’t see an alternative.

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Good question. Its a social aspect here aswell, many people play horde because their (ingame) friends do, why “Everyone” went horde in the first place i dont know.

I guess some more attractive races would do. I mean, fat humans and mechagnomes? Really? Not that im a fan of zandalari troll / vulpera either.

A new race that isnt “Allied race bfa style” wouldnt hurt.

If blood elves were moved to alliance id move.

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Oh please, like that’s going to happen. They’re totally going to remove a playable race-and-its capital city and give it to the Alliance. Because that’s totally balanced.

Yeah, you do know that it has already been repaid, right? There was this guy, called Anduin Lothar, you might have heard of him? He was the last person who the Elves owed a debt to, and they repaid it. He has no issue, so the Blood Elves don’t owe anyone diddly squat since the Second War.

When did the Nation of Quel’thalas ever belong to the Grand Alliance? I’ll save you from looking it up. The answer is -Never-, They were part of the Alliance of Lordaeron briefly, but that rather famously no longer exists.
Hard to betray an organisation you never belonged to…

They’re not going to do that though. In lore, Lor’themar was in talks with Varian Wrynn about about doing so, but that was story fluff, and Jaina put an end to that idea. We can see this when Alleria visits the Sunwell and Lor’themar gets his usual sass on, when she suggests the idea. If LTT was willing to enter into talks with Varian, who was fairly bloodthirsty, yet now scorns the same offer made by his peace loving son, that goes to show just how royally annoyed the Blood Elves are about the whole Dalaran thing still.

Besides, the logistics would be a nightmare, disruption of Guilds, Raiding groups, RP, it just wouldn’t work.

Now giving the Alliance something snacky and new might work, as races go, but sadly for Alliance fans, the most highly demanded is -still- High Elves (Which is ridiculous, as they’ll be able to look like one in all but name, come SL)

You’d have to look at what desirable races would make sense.

Naga make no sense, apart from the models being a nightmare, they aren’t going to join a faction with Night Elves in it, nor would the Night elves accept them.

Gnolls hate the Alliance. Stormwind is Gnoll land.

Kobolds don’t seem likely to join anyone.

Vrykul don’t make any sense, plus they’re just big humans. I mean literally that is all they are.
Broken/Krokuul could make sense, but what do they really bring to the table that the Draenei don’t?

Tuskaar could make sense, but the problem there is that they are too ‘ugly’ for Alliance players to want to play them (This is largely why they get stuck with human-like races)

At a pinch Arrakoa could work, flightless or flying ones, I mean the flightless ones do have a thing for Shadow, and now the Alliance have Void Elves a marriage of convenience could be made, likewise the Flying ones are more likely to go Horde, as whilst the Blood Elves do not worship the Sun, it does have a place of reverence in their culture.

Murlocs aren’t going to join anyone.

Ogres are Horde.

Centaur do have an enemy in common with the Alliance, in the form of the Tauren, but would that be strong enough reason? Also, just think what a nightmare their model would be, I mean how would a Centaur even sit on a flying mount?

Faithful Sethrakk is a possibility, and could be done, yeah, helmets on them would look stupid, but just take the route they have with several races and boots, they can equip them, but they won’t show. That’s probably a strong contender.

Saberon? Ehh, too similar to Worgen, and also why on earth would the Saberon side with either Faction on a world not their own? We also don’t know how smart they are, “Ahh, Champeyun! Azeroth’s Wounz need ta be healed, Kin yeh stop lickin’ yeh privates fer a moment?”
Confused cat noises

Jinyu are a possibility, or Ankoan, the two are largely the same, and both do have favourable relations with the Alliance, and have the allure of looking non-human enough to appeal, whilst also making lore sense Either of those are strong contenders.

Saurok are out of the question, they’re biological experiments gone wrong that love living in fetid squalor such as would make an Orgrimmar sewer look like a high society banquet hall.

Hozen would jump Horde side. (Probably literally)

Eredar? Heh, no, Alliance already have two flavours of Eredar, given that that is the actual racial name of the Draenei species, and I can’t see them playing nice with those Eredar who supported Archimonde and Kil’jaeden. (Or anyone playing nice with them for that matter)

Mogu hate everyone. Like everyone. They wouldn’t join either Faction because of the Tushui and Huojin.

There aren’t many more I can think of, to be honest.

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Things escalate.

As for what could make things more balanced? Nothing. It’s passed the point of no return. The one and only balanced solution is to create cross faction PVE.

Without that option, you have to make alliance racials overwhelmingly better.

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it is, but doubt that is ever gona happen, there is the loud minority screaming about it, and unfortunately they are mostly horde players

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Surprisingly enough, a lot of people who debated me about this are all die hard alliance players. Not horde.

But like i said, There is no other way.

So either they can watch their faction slowly but surely lose any and all high end content relevance, or they embrace the cross faction play.

Blizzard will most likely do that for the next expansion. I think shadowlands will be that devastating trigger to show how bad things will be for alliance.

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I neither believe or hope so myself. All the races you mention are “Freaky/monsterous” races tho, not “Attractive” races, i think a slim/simple model attracts many players, like female blood elf.

Now alliance got that in void elfs ofc, but by the number of “Give alliance high elf” threads out there that could possibly make a difference.

And maybe a change in alliance leadership. Anduin/Jaine ++ is becoming quite boring. I dunno. What makes the horde more attractive? They tend to have cooler / more original races, at least its so for me.

And many people want to be the “Villains” - The ugly guys, the boogeymen, undead, troll, orc, tauren, cool and original races. Human is quite boring, dwarf is kind of cool, night elf males look horrible, females are ok, gnome is cool aswell but are they so cool that mechagnome was the best allied race they could come up with?

Ive unlocked every allied race exept mechagnome and kul tiran and im not gonna do it, they are just plain ugly and horrible and not interesting at all. If alliance got an actually cool race id unlock it and play it.

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think it is becuse you play horde and you get the alliance players who whine, where alliance players get a lot of time horde again, realy wierd lol
people talking about how factions is the core of the game, when that is not realy true at all, the core was humans vs orcs, at one point, but already in WC 3 it started to become less and less about factions.

and you are right that, if a merg or crossfaction play doesnt come soon,there will be only one faction anyways, what again would make no sence for Blizzard to even make content for 2 factions then.

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Reading this topic makes me just think most of you want alliance to be this overpowered side with massive racials and ridiculous cosmetics. Yeah good way to make game fair right. Horde racials arent the best anymore and giving out more cosmetics wont help anything it will just make more people pissed.

Maybe the biggest issue is that alliance attracts more social, casuals and rpers than horde does. I dont see hordes making topics of getting a race that is already in the game just so they can go around rping. I think the issue is mainly here. People who want endgame content and more pve gameplay switch over when they notice people are too Casual on the alliance side.

I personally dont mind cross faction gameplay, but it doesnt really fit the theme of this game horde vs alliance. Also fact that we cant even talk to eachother without potions. Which is odd since the leaders always talk to eachother without issues.

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this is actualy a huge problem, that started in legion, where horde got way superior allied races, than alliance did.

nightborne and highmountain tauren, what did alliance get, void elfs and lightforged dranei
now you could argue both are reskins, what they actulay is, but thing was, many alliance, hoped for nightborne to join the night elfs, and then also they started to hope for high elfs, becuse of Alleria comming back, but what did they get, yep void elfs, many felt this was a slap in the face for alliance, where some quit the game, others gave up and whent horde. this trend continued in BFA, whit horde getting the more intresting races again, and alliance just no intresting ones realy.

kul tirans, alliance had hoped for skinny ones also, but nope just big ones, mechagnomes even if they do fit in, none wanted them at all.

where horde got Zandalari, and vulpera, heck would there be crossfaction play, I would not mind making a Vulpera, blood elfs, or even an orc eighter.

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Guess its a matter of personal preferences aswell, i personal find both void elf and lf more attractive then nightborne and ht - But then again i dont like to play “Huge” characters, and nightborne just looks odd both male and female.

they basically look the same, but nightborne (both genders) look far worse then night elf (both genders) imo. and you dont see many nightborne players ingame.

I personally believe this would have attracted more players to the alliance side, maybe they tried to do the same thing with void elf, but there is something odd about them to.

But yeah i agree horde have cooler races, kul tiran and mechagnome is the last races of every playable race i would play, i dont think i would have played at all if choice were between the two.

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Personaly I just prefer the Horde races.

That beeing said, something that comes to mind is the old Wintergrasp mechanic where if You were heavily outnumbered you gained in power. I remember a Wintergrasp battle where I was the only Alliance char in the battle which made me very powerful and I was fighting around 20 Horde at one time. I felt like a raid boss. Needless to say I still lost the battle though, can’t win Wintergrasp alone…

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then again if you look at how the lore is now, it little bit does look like Blizz might have a plan to remove the factions also, considering, they are systematicly removing the chars that is a problem for it, Sylvanas gone from horde, Tyrande might die, that only leaves Genn left, what could be a problem, Talanji seems to have changed her mind about the alliance also.

so I would not be to supriced, if already in Shadowlands, the factions gets removed, would not even be to supriced if the last raids in Shadowlands is on Azeroth again.

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About the races:

Humans, do’nt like how they run. Also, it’s a fantasy game and I’m human irl so… rather play something else

Dwarfs, do’nt like how they run, do’nt like how they wield weapons

Gnomes, do’nt like the tinker theme or how gear look on them

Draenei, do’nt like their tails, males are too boxy and buff. Also, do’nt like how they run, I can stand the females running better tha n the males.

Worgen, do’nt like how they run. Females look like chihuahuas more than wolfs. Do’nt like how they hunch over.

Nelfs, females are alright, do’nt like how thin the waists are on either gender though. Do’nt like how the males wield their weapons.

Velfs, do’nt like that they implemented this race all together, it seems like a compensatory addition.

In Horde:

Orcs, do’nt like how boxy the males are. Females look alright though.

Tauren, do’nt like how boxy the males are and how their arms flap when they jump. Do’nt like the female necks or lack there of.

Trolls, do’nt like how they run (female), or how they hunch over (male). The upright Zandalaris looke better but the males share the same problem as nelfs since it’s the same rigg.

Ud, I do’nt like looking like compost.

Goblin, do’nt like how they run.

Vulpera, funny but the running does’nt bother me here even though it’s the same rigg as the Goblins, I think it’s because of the lovely tail.

Belfs, looks great, no issues.

Nightborne, looks better than nelfs, probably due to shorter arms.

Pandaren, do’nt like how the males run, females are okay.

All these reasons sounds silly when written down but since I have to look at my character running pretty much all the time it still effects my descision when choosing a race.

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Just roll moonkin problem solved

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I dont think its just buffs or perks that will solve this problem its also a matter of what you prefer to play. thats espcially the case for new players… Because only elitist high end gamers will come back to alliance for special rewards imo

Unless the new players already have friends on horde there is still a good chance they will choose alliance because they thought it looked amazing for example.

So yeah my bet is on getting new players and hope they choose alliance.

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Oh, did’nt mention that I also do’nt like running around looking like a fat chicken.

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