That’s sorta key in both of them and why Blood Elves and Nightborne get along.
Also, “Fel Illidari Thalassians” are just “Illidari.” Save yourself some time sweetie
Silvermoon and Suramar must remain together for the benefit of all Elven elf-kind. Blood Elves finally have a race they relate with - don’t say “Oh the Forsaken…” They do not relate to magical addictions, magical struggles and that sort with the Forsaken and the Nightborne provide that common bond with the Blood Elves and it’s a perfect friendship.
Boring and predictable.
Nightborne and Blood Elves should take over the Broken Isles, if Quel’Thalas was ever invaded. Azsuna and Nar’thalas could be their new home.
For me, the only reason to play alliance is my wife and her spacegoats.
TBH, all characters I’m interested in playing are human because the other races fail horribly in the looks-department (playing male characters, habbit). And I’m just one of those who are “character-vain”: I only long term enjoy my chars if the look ‘cool’ in my eyes.
male nightelves… have been ‘funny’ proportioned ever since. Should have been revised long long time ago.
male worgen… right. There is nothing remotely feral or ‘smooth animal’ about them. Just weirdly proportioned and *** flip animations. Because that is what someone who’d pick a werewolf would want: Sillyness?
dwarves… ok, they are cool. But the spinning on every single attack? Sheesh! And I really can’t relate to the whole cave-dwelling, but that’s just me.
kultirans? same *** proportion-problem as the others. Again: Sillyness.
Gnomes… right. no. cheers to the fans, but no. (Silly)
The horde are at least somewhat cool. Taurens are huge. Trolls are smooth. Their elves are pretty-babes (yes, the male, too), undead just rock and have the most awesome animations from sneaking to holding a two-handed weapon and orcs just look brutal.
So you have cool vs silly.
My hint would be: Take the damn races and the whole game serious and leave finding the sillyness to the players.
Most humans adhere more or less to the basic instincts: Being Superior by being cooler/smoother/better looking.
THAT’s where stuff like the cool Machinema back in the days came from.
And yes, racial traits are a good part, too. Remember the op-Human racial that pulled all the ‘minmaxers’ and powergamers to alliance?
And what i saw about the losing multiple times many leaders - was Horde focus, all about the horde, horde leadership, horde battles. And the horde also wins those victories… alliance were support characters…
But the tone of the quests, the portrayal of the horde hero pc is far stronger than on the allinace side, and until BFA, the alliance was always rubbish coming up against the horde - which felt silly with Night elves in their faction, then later Draenei and Worgen - 3 extremely powerful races whose lore seems to count for nothing
Honestly, I don’t see whyt hey don’t have Goblins (Horde can have them too) as they were a neutral race. And I don’t see why Horde can’t have Mechagnomes, as Gazlowe was there helping out too representing the Horde. Outside of Kul’Tiran and Lightforged on Alliance and Zandalari and Mag’Har on Horde, why can’t the rest be shared across factions?
Void Elves are just emo belfs, their horde lore is just ‘they cant go home due to the void in them’
Dark Iron have a history of working with Blackhands Horde in Blackrock Mountain, so why not let some of them Join the Horde as they still distrust Bronzebeard Dwarves.
Vulpera and Mechagnomes both got help from both factions.
Nightborne are just upitty Nelfs
I can’t make much of a case for HMT joining the Alliance sadly.
That’s not the only thing night elves have in common with Thalssian elves, you do realise they could make all the elves 1 faction too, right?
Well Highmountain partenring with tauren and the horde was boring and predictable, as was Zandalari going horde, same with Mag’har orcs - it was all boring and predictable.
doesn’t mean they have to be boring and predictable , nor does it mean their stories and involvement will be boring.
Highborne, Night elves, High elves and Void elves should take over, most of the nightborne should defect or support the night elves and high elves, and Suramar should be a neutral city welcoming all elves.
I’ve given this more thought. I still can’t see how Blizzard can fix it. It genuinely seems like a community issue for me. As long as the best players are on Horde, people will play Horde.
The only way to ‘balance’ this would be to cap how many horde vs alliance can be on a server.
Joining a server? It’s 51% horde? Sorry bro, you can only roll alliance there.
Joining another? 51% alliance? Sorry bro, Horde only.
They wouldn’t do that, but it seems like the only fix that blizzard could impliment, outside of that, it’s a community issue.
Which is what puzzles, what was so bad about it switching to Humans, orcs, Night elves and Scourge, then Illidari?
that would have been like perfect… Humans as the alliance, Orcs as the horde, Night elves as the powerful Ancients, Undead as the hardcore survivalist faction,
Illidari as the anti-hero faction that uses evil powers to fight evil.
the way WC3 set them up was perfect.
Alliance: Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, Pandaren
Horde: Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, Goblins
Night elves: Kaldorei, Kaldorei night/highborne, kaldorei worgen, Draenei
Illidari: Fel elves, Blood elves, Naga, Broken
Undead: Zombie, Vampire, Lich, Kvaldir, the first 3 a rather versions of undead you can choose to customise, the last is a race ofc.
Alternatively, Undead could instead be undead versions of each race ( a lot of work) but with DKs, they could have undead baked into every race - rather than be a faction it would probably have made the DK class more limited if it was faction - but it would be a waste as they have complete set.
High elves are on the alliance are unplayable, Illidari night elves on the Illidari are unplayable. However in time they may make them playable.
The overall distribution between Alliance and Horde is about 50/50 but the problem is the huge difference inside different servers. I have played mostly in servers where Alliance has about x4 more population. I hope the server merging which happened recently (perhaps still going on) has tried to balance the population and not increase the gap even more.
Someone is missing the true point. I loved alliance for many and many years, I was alliance since the game exists. The problem that lead me to become an horde player are:
Alliance is less social and (don’t hate me for what i will say) full of selfish people, not fitting at all the meaning of the word “alliance”, and when you do pvp you can see the best.
Offensive, rude and arrogant people, always ready to “flame” the others or being angry every second.
Zero kindness, as a consequence of point 2.
Personally i’ve found much less of that, on the horde side, but i will know more, step by step, because i’m new in the horde.
Remember, behind a character or a nick name, there is always a person, and the blizzard can’t fix this kind of things. They can’t fix the brain or the respect or the education. Only after this considerations, we can talk about: better racials, races or quest spots or way to travel around the world, that are better in the horde.
Just my thought, I always preferred the alliance, but every day becomes worse.
Well my point was that is the direction really from Alliance to Horde in general or just based on players personal experiences in local servers? My personal experience is that people favor more Alliance side… Therefore, perhaps there is moving for both directions but people just sees the one side? I do not know what is happening atm but I am interested to see data of Horde vs Alliance distribution progression if someone knows where to find this kind of information.
I found this article from 18 of June 2020 and its data from year 2019. There the overall distribution is about 50/50. I cannot attach the link for some reason, but it is from Statista.
I just examine this thread a little bit critically because it might be that there is no problem which needs to fixed at first place. If the overall distribution is stayed about 50/50 then either side would need more attention than another.
However, I have to admit that if I look the latest Allied Races, Horde looks more appealing. Kul Tiran and Mechagnomes are horrible imo, and even some people likes those, I believe they are niche. Mag’Har Orcs are cool but I do not like Vulpera either, therefore, I guess Horde are a little bit better position. However, Allied Races have a very little customization options and all the base races are getting a lot of new looks when pre-patch launches. That is a huge appealing boost for base races, perhaps people will favor those more in future.
That doesn’t make sense, I mean the last bit, that would butcher Pandaren lore, such as it is, with the Tushui and Huojin…
Why though? Two of those races have nothing in common, and diametrically opposing views, which is fine when you dilute it within the greater Horde, but in a contracted four race one would cause massive problems
Are you sure you’re not letting your Night Elf Bias show here? Why would the Nightborne ally with the Kaldorei? I mean they have more in common with the Sin’dorei, and Tyrande did what Tyrande -always- does, which is drive people into the Horde (Seriously she deserves a medal as a recruiting Sergeant for the Horde) There are no Kaldorei Worgen playable.
Why though? The Blood Elves hate the Fel Elves, they hate the Naga (It was only Kael’thas who thought they were good allies, you might as well say the Scourge should join the Alliance) and what the hells have the Broken got to do with them? Plus, you only name one playable race in there, and another race that will never be playable…come on…
What the hell? So you remove the ability to play actual Forsaken? How do you see that working? Because the Forsaken aren’t Zombies, they aren’t Vampires, the closest playable race to that are Blood Elves, but they drain mana, not blood, Lich? -LICH? Can you imagine the horror that would cause? I mean it would be an absolute nightmare on RP realms, but even aside from that, how would they ride mounts? What abilities would they have that a DK does not have? and Kvaldir “Ho Ho, I am a big Barbarian, like a Kul Tiran, except when I die I turn into seaweed.”
“That’s it?”
“Yes, that is kind of our thing”
“Riiiiight”
I know this was a joke, but some people genuinely think that way!
Blizzard “Let’s handwave the lore away, and force one race into another faction regardless of what their players want, that can only end well”
Also Blizzard;
“Why have the Subs dropped, I don’t understand it?”
I know I’d quit if they tried forcing the Sin’dorei into some boring LotR trope, and I know a lot of people who only play Blood Elves because it is -interesting- that they are on the ‘bad’ side. If they tried to turn us all into Legolas I’m out.
Honestly i think this whole ally/horde population thing is bullsh*t
In terms of PvP
1-Ally always dominates the ladder till this day
2- i win most if not all of my bgs in a day (7-8 out of 10)
3- in warmode i usually do the ganking (due to increased horde pop which makes it fun) … and also still see sh*tloads of allys (ravencrest shard)
4- 30% WM Buff
Where does this concept come from that Alliance is dead? The stats I’ve seen put it right around 50/50. It varies a lot between realms but with CRZ, does it matter anymore? Is Alliance dead in a specific niche or something, like high-end pvp?
