The Alliance needs some Sky Admiral Rogers, but not just Humans. When I first played MoP and she ordered the Orcs to be shot down, that actually felt like both her and I were in a faction war and it was a great feeling.
I can see the issues on both sides.
The Alliance has become “Humans and Friends” and that needs to change. In some ways, the Alliance faction feels like it’s in the wrong game, because they have been so desperate for peace that their only style of writing is to be reactionary to whatever the Horde does or what an outside threat does.
You understand half of my guild is a loyalist too? You have any idea how they feel? There are even some who stopped playing because of this crap with sylvanas. For some she is a very important person in the game. Blizz is killing horde guidls.
This is a writing issue because they started focusing one faction most of the expansions. This has nothing to do how Alliance-players feel within the community, otherwise you can just reduce every issue to a “victim complex”.
Sources? Otherwise I’ll post what is actually and officially known.
If it helps to find some information, google her twitter postings.
I partook in the Darkshore victory, and i got nothing In game to recognise that, what’s your point?
As said the horde is not split. I’m talking about the horde as presented in game. As far as the game says, the loyalists are gone. Players in your guild are not “the in game horde” as far as the story shows. The tension they’re feeling isn’t borne out in game. Certainly, the war council hasn’t mentioned anything about a civil war or needing to root out the loyalists as far as I’ve seen.
So yeah, on a personal level they probably feel unsatisfied. I get that. That doesn’t mean the horde is split. I personally feel like the Tushui get bugger all development in the alliance. That doesn’t mean that as far as the game lore goes the Tushui feel discontent in the alliance.
This is further exposed for the complete codswallop it is, when people like Nathanos justify what they do according the idea of fighting the alliance with their “narrow view” when the alliance never actually is shown to do such.
Alliance doesn’t invade other countries to impose such views. These views only manifest when they’re busy fighting genocidal maniacs, and then it’s more them reacting against stuff than imposing order.
Like, it would be awesome if the alliance did do this, gave the horde a proper reason to hate them as far as they’re concerned because they go about spreading the light, or installing puppet regimes in horde friendly territories. Generally muscling in. At current it’s not true. The horde generally hates the alliance because of very old beef, and because whenever a psycho warchief does X the alliance interfere with that, but not because they’re imposing a world view.
I dont understand your point at all. We are the horde players and our horde is gone for at least the last 2 expansions. In legion we were alliance, and in bfa the horde got ruined. There is no pride or cool reason to be horde. It is all gone.
Again. Don’t post without having actual sources for these claims.
Truth is, she’s the writer for the cinematic dialogues. Cinematic. Dialogues. Since 7.3.5. She is not responsible how the story unfolds or is written by the lead team. She does not write anything else in the game.
The title of “Warchief” was made a joke when they put Hellscream in that position, then 2 expansions later, it was Vol’jin, then 1 expansion later, it was Sylvanas - then 2 expansions later, it doesn’t exist.
The general feelings of your guild don’t appear to match the general consensus as far as I can see.
I see lot a horde saying BFA writing was crap, but I don’t see a lot of lack of faction pride from them. They’re two different things.
Faction pride comes from more than narrative for many. It appears for you, it’s important to feel good. For every one of you there are two-three blood elves or forsaken who were completely happy with what happened.
Irrespective, you don’t see a lot of people unhappy with their faction. Storytelling, maybe, but not the horde itself. They’re different.
In terms of player feelings. Not objective game state.
The alliance has both. Players generally dissatisfied and a game portrayal that has us being told were winners but behaving like we’re the ones recovering from a psycho warchief.
I’ll make it clear, I never said the horde garden was Rosey, I said despite the thorns, there is some positive portrayal, even if it’s mixed in player reception (some feel good about it, some don’t)
With alliance, what is there to feel good about? That’s my point. We win the warfronts and the game gives nothing to cling to to frame that positively. Because all our favetio. Leaders seem to talk about is the bad stuff horde do and how we feel about it.
It’s a depressing state to be in. Nobody talks about winning arathi, Darkshore, because the topic of conversation is Sylvanas and whether we do X about her, and what the horde is gonna do about her. Our story is almost always in the shadow of the horde one, even when the horde one is a shambolic mess.
The Alliance are not the authors if their own story in game. I don’t give a crap about the novels. I play alliance in the game, so don’t give me all my fistpump moments off screen or in wowpedia articles. Would it be so difficult for an alliance victory to feel like a visible win in game? It almost always feels like punctuation in the conversation about horde and leaders lamenting losses. That’s the issue.
