I don’t play Warcraft for “war” (even though i do my share of instanced PVP), just like i don’t play Warframe for the “war”, nor do i read warhammer for the “War”.
Your position is also tied to the notion that the war needs to be between factions, and not a war between the citizens and the external forces. Warcraft is a lot more about fighting bad guys, and a lot less about fighting greenies.
That’s part of your problem, you think this is about getting horde stuff for me, rather than fixing a set of problems with one neat solution.
Look beyond wanting horde stuff. Think, we already have Quel’thalas, Silvermoon, Suramar in the game, high elves and night elven Highborne in the form of blood elves and Nightborne, I already have want I want, I’m not that obsessed about transferring faction ownership out of the motivation of “getting horde stuff”
Playing horde is going to be no more satisfying than playing alliance with this horrible imbalance. And I genuinely feel the alliance and horde are better off with all the alliance elements/races on the alliance, rather than split between the two. For me it’s better to evolve the blood elves and Nightborne on the horde to something else than keep them as is.
All you can think of is me being as petty as you are with regards to this.
Blood Elves and Nightborne have been put on the Horde. They are Horde races.
The former has been a Horde race of 14 years.
If you want Void Elves to have Quel’Thalas and Night Elves to have the Broken Isles, then you simply have to say goodbye to Kalimdor and footholds in Northrend and make way for the Horde Elves and Forsaken to move in and claim those lands.
Blood Elves can have the Draenei Isles, plus Ashenvale and teleport the Sunwell Plateau to the Zorum Strand and enchant Ashenvale to be a better “Eversong Woods.”
Forsaken can have Darkshore, Desolace and Dustwallow Marsh
Nightborne can have Felwood, Stonetalon and Winterspring
Blood Elves and Nightborne then claim and rebuild Eldre’Thalas and the other places around Feralas.
It doesn’t matter how this is done in the lore - this needs to and must, happen.
That’s what must happen, with your ideas. It’s not about “maybe”, it’s about - the alliance must lose it’s footholds on Kalimdor, to make up for the horde losing it’s footholds on the Eastern Kingdoms and the Broken Isles.
You would think that, but no, I mentioned factions as a pvp stand point, which why a third faction would Just make things worse, what you are refering is more a pve thing, which also contribute to the war meaning you are trying to refute.
I apologize this was not the goal, it is just an hour ago we spoke about third faction and I am in raid, so I simply… forgot about that part of the convo.
Its fine, no harm done, Just an argument.
Edit: And tbh, the original theme of Horde vs Alliance has been poorly done over the year, why can see people wanting a neutral faction, I for one, Just wanted the core of the game to have been done justice.
I’m sorry but I disagree with you.
We don’t need Suramar or Quel’thelas to be popular.
If the Night elves want a proper home they can build one somewhere In Kalimdor. Feralas and Ashenvale are both beautiful.
Same for High/Void elves. They could build a place in that hidden vanilla area in the map that was never used. I heared there is a Voidy sky there ever since shadowlands PTR.
But please let’s not suggest stealing other people’s capitals. By doing so you are just a giving a bad stereotype to Alliance players and High elf fans
Night Elves can have and should rebuild Darkshore - Mathystra could serve as the perfect racial capital with Auction Houses, Banks, Prof Trainers etc and Eldre’Thalas can be rebuilt and used as a quest hub.
I’m in favor of adding the “Dire Maul: West” which was the Highborne/Night Elf part of the Dire Maul dungeons to the Azeroth map and capitalizing on that. If players wish to do those dungeons, then Chromie Time is available for you. Set up teleportation links and use some of that Highborne architecture from Nar’thalas. Roleplayers will love walking around those places without fear of “For Queen Azshara!!” or “The sea surges with power!”
And for Void Elves:
Due to them being risk takers, I see nothing wrong with them claiming the city part of Zin-Azshari. Create an arcane void barrier and claim the ruins of Zin-Azshari. Void Elf Mages, being the descendants of Highborne from the city, would work perfectly here.
Or, if you wanted to bring the High Elves and Void Elves closer together, you could potentially move them to Terrokkar Forest and expand it and they claim the Firewing Ruins.
I like this idea 
Because the High elves living in Terrokar Forrest are living in an area Called “Allerian Stronghold” named after Alleria.
So obviously, they would be thrilled if Alleria came back and took leadership of the Stronghold again.
I always wondered why Auric and Alleria never had a reunion. I guess that part of the story has been forgotten.
We did see one of Auric’s High elves in Boralus tho. (BFA)
That is not what I was saying in the portion you quoted.
Well that’s my thoughts.
Claim “Allerian Stronghold” because it’s named after Alleria and expand it. Claim the Firewing Point Ruins and if you really want some “Blood Elf” involvement, perhaps the Scryers could lend a helping hand. It depends on whether Blizzard wants to bring the races together.
Or - if Blizzard wants to go full “Void Elf” development, then Zin-Azshari also works, due to it being surrounded by nothing but the void for 10,000 years. Plus, Void Elves being Highborne descendants also works. Magister Umbric and the Void Elf Mages could work well here. Plus - for Elf fans, we’d have the following:
Alliance would have Eldre’Thalas and Zin-Azshari
Horde would have Silvermoon and Suramar.
That seems pretty fair to me.
I’m not claiming that there’s no problems, but instead I am claiming that you’ve identified the root of the problems wrong and try to apply a solution that won’t do anything about it. Your inability to see this makes me think that you’re either lacking in reading comprehension, or arguing in bad faith as all you care about is elves being Alliance, more so than restoring faction balance in the game.
That’s one of the problem : the Alliance Never shines. Many would argue that SoO was an Alliance success, but it was a purple coalition so to say. BFA showed that Alliance military staff is incompetent.
Which is sadly true. If you want to RP, then Alliance is go to faction. But everything related to more high end content is no go.
I’m definitely a purple player but I used to be blue, begging Blizzard to help. Going red IS the solution.
Those are two Horde races you name there.
So they should remove Night Elves also? Tauren too? I mean “Original” Warcraft was Humans and Orcs. is that what you want to see? Original Warcraft was just Humans and Orcs?
It won’t solve the issues. It will exacerbate them. It will make Alliance -less- popular “I’m having fun knowing it is at the expense of lore and other players fun, because I am selfish. Yes, they call us the charity faction, but that is because we are”
That isn’t exactly putting any Faction pride in place is it?
True that! Plus he should logically -HATE- Jaina with a passion. “What, you’re telling me you can just magic the Blight away, and do so whilst flying a lorebreaking flying Galleon? DO you know how long my country has been Blighted? And you could have just waved a hand and made it all go away? Yet chose not to? Why are we allied to the Alliance again?”
Because those are the terms you are couching it in? You are not listening to anyone when they explain why Lorewise this would be a disastrous move and make no sense, you just want Horde stuff on Alliance side.
Why should they, when that is the sole crux of your idea? I mean that is your sole solution. Give Alliance all the Elf stuff, you have come up with no ideas beyond that whatsoever.
Yes, the Horde lands of Quel’thalas and the Horde city of Suramar. Horde Blood Elves and Nightborne…
So it is a good job that there are no Alliance Elements or Races in the Horde, then isn’t it?
You seem constantly unable to answer any questions when it comes to this matter, but I shall try for the fourth time.
They’re really simple questions to answer, which will probably give you the understanding you need as to why your idea makes no sense and is harmful to the game.
I don’t think they realise how catastrophically bad their idea would be for the Alliance, how demoralising, and how much of a moral high ground Horde fans would be able to take, with every justification in doing so. Also how much it would drive away people who play both factions, who would no longer want to be associated with Alliance only fans.
Hence my suggestions of ways that it could. It has had moments, but they have been fleeting. They need a more prolonged and memorable incident.
Ehh not really. RP is alive and well on both Factions, Alliance just has the bigger playerbase on RP realms is all.
I more meant that following the ‘solution’ presented here, would open up the Alliance playerbase to absolute scorn and derision, that they would just have to bear, as they would have indeed by that point been turned into Beggars. Not from Blizzard, but by Begging for Horde things.
That would be an -awful- time to play Alliance, Zero Faction pride, unassailable proof that the faction exists from charity, and absolutely free rein for Horde fans to mock because of it.
Human nature is ugly, but I know for sure, I would not be able to stomach playing a faction where the entire set up was geared around the fact that you had to steal other people’s stuff.
It would just be…humiliating…
Welp, there’s a vacant throne and Stormwind is full of shinies, perhaps the Floof Nation should send a delegation to, swipe everything that isn’t nailed down and found a Vulpera royal dynasty… ahem… I meant, revitalise the Alliance, through the power of UwU!
Aliance got a gaycore blondie princeboy,noone wants to hear his voice anyomre.
Btw horde has no leader at all so we as a horde must save jainas and Anduins asss like we are crazy,but we must 
(GIVE Normal strong leader to the horde)
This thread is so derailed… should be locked and make a new one.
Lets be fair. It should be locked and a new one not made… At least not when the thread is actually not about the Alliance at all, but about grabbing all the Elves for Alliance and to heck with the Horde.
An all exclusive 36 floor version of Twisting Corridors ?
Yes i do cause itherwise i would not have wrote it and no they dont belong in the horde like the lore shows so no they should not stay there
Yes i have seen kalibas prove it and its you that write your opinion and ignores what people write to you not him and you already have been proven wrong