As Arthus in no longer controlled by the jailer and is more than likely chained up been torched and is now a normal man again… maybe Alliance could rescue him and get him out the maw and hes just a normal man again but after a disaster to the Alliance Arthus steps up and saves them in turn becomes king for Alliance… Watch everybody Transfer back to Alliance 
Removing the Lich from the King! he needs to be back in the game but as a decent guy!
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For a start, Arthas is gone. Gone gone. If you consider that the Maw is not just those souls from Azeroth, but from the universe entire, then he is a very small little person of no greater importance. He’s miniscule.
The point is, if he was to be purged of his sins, and reconcile them, he would have been in Revendreth.
Instead he was Yeeted into the Maw personally…
The Maw is not interested in purging your sins, or making you a better person. It just tortures you because it can. Not even for fun. Just because it can. Anyone in there, is -not- coming out as a redeemed person… That’s Revendreth you’re thinking of.
Also, I reckon even if Blizzard devs all fell down the stairs, banged their heads and collectively thought that bringing Arthas back was a good idea he would have a guaranteed lifespan of minutes, either that, or he would doom the Alliance to implosion and destruction.
Assuming he wasn’t simply killed, the instant anyone recognised him (Highly unlikely) Then you have the -really- awkward situation.
Alleria will want him dead. Vereesa will want him dead. Bolvar Fordragon will want him dead. Lor’themar will want him dead (along with every Blood and High and Void Elf left alive) Every Forsaken will want him dead. The Knights of the Silver Hand won’t be pleased to see him back either, as he is now a flagship as to how they can -Fail- and Fail Hard. The Argents will want him dead.
It would make the Alliance more pro-active sure…as the bad guys as they stop everyone trying to take out vengeance on one of the world’s greatest villains.
Besides. Bringing people back from the dead as a plot device is pretty darned lame. If they don’t die but are -assumed- dead, like Turalyon and Alleria, then that is different, but if we cast iron know they are dead, like arthas, then bringing them back is trash tier writing.
But that was all it ended up being - a mourning period, rather than a true change in the people.
Originally it seemed they were going a different direction, developing into something new, but that’s not what blizzard wanted, they made the blood elves become high elves aligned to the horde, an alliance race on the horde, nothing more.
They did this intentionally because they wanted to lure alliance players to the horde to even out the numbers… yet it surprises you that now when it’s the alliance that needs the numbers that reversing this transition would be the solution that works best.
But in your stubbornness you fail to see the potential gains both to the horde and the blood elves that remain there if this change happens and how it could lead to something better for all of them. you’re just either hell bent on the alliance not getting buffed or you’re just stubbornly trying to hold on to what is essentially alliance on the horde because you like it - I suspect for some of you horde fans it’s because you can stick it to the alliance and makes you feel superior.
I however don’t think that is your motivation though. I think you’ve given your heart to the blodo elves and nightborne existing on the horde in this very high elven and night elven civilization capacity - and you’ve come to identify that as horde and treasure it being on the horde so don’t want to lose it. You and Birgante anyway.
But they aren’t horde, only in name, but not in nature, character , theme or anything, you are loving the alliance in those two races, and this doesn’t really help the horde nor the alliance in this two faction format blizzard insist on keeping.
There are better ways to make it effective and excellent than what we have now and they would involve the alilance elements of the blood elves and Nightborne returning to the alliance with most of their populations and assets - and something new being developed for them in addition with new versions of orc/troll/tauren and goblin stuff even forsaken stuff given to replace what was lost while they take the time to rebuild the blood elves and Nightborne into something new.
What would happen down the line is good horde developments will be matched with alliance ones and never exceed them like they did constantly between TBC and Legion/BFA - so by the time the blood elves and Nightborne get their new stuff, the alliance would have some cool stuff of its own to some of it’s races as well, so that it’s not just the horde getting cool new stuff.
The cool stuff for Blood elves and nightborne would be to give them a purpose and establish them properly as none alliance centred elf races similar to the Naga and San’layn/Darkfallen who are very different from the Night elven civilization and high elves they come from.
But the lalinace at that time would have osme cool things for some of its races, probably not their elves, but maybe their Draenei or Dwarves or Worgen, but whoever it is i, it would be nice stuff, by this time the factions would have been equalised thanks tot he high elves being restored a while ago, you wouldn’t want the horde to be a clear favourite by only giving blood elves and Nightborne cool stuff, you’d want incentives for the alliance too at this point, but in ways that fit the alliance, even if it’s more improvements to the alliance elves.
Blood Elves and Nightborne suit the Horde because they don’t grow cities in trees.
How is the pumpkin farm doing for your Human overlords? How’s DarnASHus?
Or change the Alliance elf races into something different.
Night Elves live in trees so their’s one difference.
Void Elves live with the Void, so their’s another difference.
You see, you might like these further changes to the alliance elves. Leave the Horde ones alone. We don’t need your salt on our side.
You’ve got to wait for your elves to be given something different from the Horde side. You’ll probably like it, but Sin’dorei and Shal’dorei remain as they are on the faction that works for them.
If you want to be a servant to Humans, you do you.
Give it until the next expansion and Night Elf Demon Hunters will need to find Human Demon Hunters, as they’ve forgotten how to “Demon Hunt.”
Blood Elf Demon Hunters will still remain as they are and know how to do it.
Only thing that realistically will make people change is buffing the F**K out of Alliance racials along with free or heavily discounted faction changes.
And even then I’m not sure it would help. As someone already pointed out, the Alliance aesthetics feels a little clean/dull compared to Horde.
I think the best way would be to give all the races the Pandaren treatment where you could pick a faction regardless of race. Maybe the Covenant system in Shadowlands is Blizzard testing the waters for a more permanent system. Lead dev Ion Hazzikostas also mentioned potential Covenant vs Covenant PvP for warmode in an interview.
I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s a feature in the next expansion where races are no longer tied to factions.
Adding a third variant of Gnome would increase morale by around 410%, thus making more people want to join Alliance.
Mark my words!
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At this point ? Nothing except a miracle, like, say, adding the saiyan race, with the racial ability “super duper saiyan transformation” and a rare chance to proc “ultra instinct” upon death. Yeah, that would balance things out.
I’m just not convinced racials is the solution - it may cause a temporary fix but doesn’t fix the underlying problems… The alliance is not only boring, but lack lustre, and inferior to the horde in many ways, there is little motivation to switch to it.
And at the heart of this lies the high elven and night elven communities on the horde - blizzard need to strip the high elf out of the blood elves and the night elf out of the Nightborne - but it isn’t enough to remove those facets from the blood elves and Nightborne, they need to be glorified and restored to the alliance in a major incentive boost and revitalisation of the alliance.
i.e. make the alliance shiny and attractive like they did the horde when they took the high elves over as blood elves in 2006.
Elves are very dear to alliance fans, so restoring the fortunes of the high elves and night elves through the return of the high elves and Highborne civilization of the Night elves would be the perfect compliment to the void elves and forest side of the kaldorei.
The horde losing those elements purges them of alliance influence and allows the remaining blood elves and nightborne to be developed into something not high elven and not night elven civilization down the line.
the goal must be making the alliance desirable by consolidating its fantasy which has been weakened because it’s been spread between the alliance and hte horde and has propped up the horde - something it doesn’t need to do any longer because the horde is popular enough without needing the high elven kingdom or the Night elven civilization/empire components it currently has. It will survive with just blood elves and Nightborne being playable but without their high elven assets or night elven civilization assets and without that very alliance character of the high elves and night elves they’ve been behaving.
This would boost the alliance, make it feel more distinct by having it’s aspects or rather the things that it does best and that characterise it only being on it. Therefore people who like that, like a good portion of the blood elf and Nightborne will go back to it, and those still on it will become enthusiastic about it. The horde will still have blood elves and Nightborne playable, but they’d no longer be like high elves or like night elven Highborne, they’d no longer have Silvermoon or Quel’thalas as those blood elves would have returned to being high elves, nor would they have Suramar which is very alliance themed - as all that stuff is 100% high elven (Quel’thalas) and night elven (Suramar) and that’s strongly reeks of alliance for the alliance is based on that concept and presentation of the elves.
This will cause a shift that would work better than racials - people need to feel the alliance is interesting and attractive to go to. They would also do themselves a favour by improving the night elf models too, especially the males, and give nicer proportions and nicer faces that make them look attractive. The first set of customisations helped, but the ugly face and the bad neck posture on the males is still there, not to mention the overlarge arms and waist. What they can do for the night elf male model is
- Add some pretty faces
- Add some younger faces
- Add a waist size adjustment slider (especially on robes)
- Add a fore arm adjustment slider
- Permanently fix the neck posture.
For high elves:
Make them fully playable , and they return with Silvermoon and Quel’thalas
For Suramar:
The majority of the Nightborne there get changed into Night elves through the healing process of the Arcan’dor, most like this as they are crazy about their heritage and very proud of it, but some don’t want the benevolent, Highborne ways of their people and believe the horde as well as the direction both Azshara and Elisande were going is the way thigs must go, magically halt the healing process to keep their Nightborne appearance and refuse to align with the rest of their kin who open up to the alliance.
these are the once that remain as nightborne, while their kin in Suramar refer to themselves once more as Highborne or Shal’dorei Night elves. The night elf model gains arcane tattoos similar to the Nightborne and arcane hair features and glowing hands to represent the option of being Shal’dorei night elves who’ve returned to their night elven form.
Meanwhile on the horde, those that remain blood elves and Nightborne get developed an expansion or 2 later into something not high elven and not night elven empire/civilization based - complete with a new architectural style and even new customisable features and options for their models that would not be available to alliance high elves and night elves
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There is always that, an incredible new race, that’s rather extraoridnary. While giving the horde ogres
i have avoided suggesting that because the Alliance already have this in the Night elves, you only need restore the WHOLE of the Night elves, long vigil prowress plus pre-sundering wonder and advancement , + the fact that it would be better for the horde to lose the alliance themes present in the blood elves and Nightborne so they can be more distinct.
But a new great race would work really help, and rally the alliance round it, improving all its existing races and not touching the blood elves or Nightborne. However that still doesn’t solve the issue of the horde having too much alliance on them through the blood elves and Nightborne… but it may a t least ensure the alliance has the most attractive version of alliance themed races.
However that can be achieved by simply improving the void elves and Night elves on the alliance too, as well as high elves without interfering with anything the blood elves and Nightborne already have - but again, that still leaves a lot of alliance on the horde and doesn’t do anything to properly restore the Warcraft core or make the factions distinct from each other, but it might cause the net flow of alliance players going horde to reverse because the elves are better on the alliance.
This may mean giving the Night elves a really cool Zin’Azshari type city and doing something awesome for the Void elves that the high elves can be a part of and serve as their new bastion - and really building a new void elf /high elf race and also a new super kaldorei - so much so that Silvermoon and the blood elves are dwarfed by this or look inferior in comparison to what the void elves and high elves get, as does Suramar to what the Night elves will get all round.
The idea is to make the alliance qualities that are so attractive in the blood elves and Nightborne, more attractive on the alliance so hopefully people who like such things on the horde will opt to switch to the alliance, despite having pretty Silvermoon still with the blood elves and Suramar.
That might work, but it won’t work as well as what I’ve suggested, which is removing those elements from the horde . I suggest this because it will be good for the horde and the alliance, especially if the loss of Silvermoon/Quel’thalas and Suramar are replaced by Troll and orc additions like Zul’drak, Zul’Aman, Zul’farak, Un’goro, Warsong Hold expanding etc.
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The probem is that even if they put pretty races and op racials, i don’t think that anyone should want something that can potentially cause the same problem with the roles reversed. There is nothing they can do that would make the alliance popular in a way that can revert years of migrations and stablished communities without causing the same issue on the long run for the horde.
In my opinion, any attempt will come short unless it comes with the end of the factions in terms of social interactions: allow players from any faction to play together, even be part of the same guild.
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Lose Suramar and Silvermoon - in essence all of the Eastern Kingdoms and Broken Isles
Alliance loses all of Kalimdor and large parts of Northrend - lands there that Blood Elves and Nightborne claim with Lor’themar and Thalyssra, as well as their advisors at the helm.
I’m sorry, but you’ve got to lose your lands if the Horde loses there’s. So Ashenvale and the rest of the night elf lands, belong and move to the Blood Elves, Nightborne and Forsaken.
And don’t go on some massive stupid waffle about “elves horrified at Teldrassil.” Teldrassil was 2 and a half years ago…hell, the majority of the Horde were horrified. If the Blood Elves and Nightborne didn’t leave the Horde then, then they won’t leave now…especially with Lor’themar and Thalyssra having firm seats within the Horde Council.
Look, it’s time to let it go. Get over Nightborne and Suramar being part of the Horde. You’ve been at this for almost 3 years and nothing you’ve ever said has come to pass. Why? Because it isn’t part of the story.
The Arcan’dor will not restore Nightborne to Night Elves…it doesn’t have that sort of power…not in comparison to that of the Titan Relic, Eye of Aman’thul. Some little nelf tree isn’t going to compete in power against the powers of the titans.
That might be true, but they have to try… they certainly turned the alliance centric tide established by Wc1-3 and Classic - they can turn it again.
They have suppressed the greater involvement of blood elves and nightborne in horde lore affairs because of fears they may dominate the horde narrative and cease to feel horde, despite their popularity.
So removing the high elven and night elven aspects of said blood elves and Nightborne would be easier to consolidate those facets returning to the alliance and lead to a faster boost of the alliance. It may not be immediate, but it will be faster than the turn around the blood elves ’ introduction caused with the horde, and that took only a few years before the populations were even - the problem there off course is that people kept migrating horde because it was so good and the very blood elves made the alliance feel redundant because with them you got the things the alliance did best on the horde in addition to the horde so in many respect, especially for new players who weren’t put off by the non-human races, the horde was immediately a more attractive option or soon became after they played the alliance for a while.
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Basically:
“3 years on, and I’m still salty the Horde got Nightborne and Suramar. Nightborne should only have lore moments with Nelfs!”
If you’ve quit, like you’ve said - why do you keep pushing and forcing your agenda onto us? You say, “Let people make up their own minds” yet, you don’t do that.
Forget “High Elves.” Their is no current playable race called “High Elves.” It’s between Void Elves and Blood Elves.
Void Elves are dangerous and pose a risk to the Sunwell. The Blood Elves have defended the Sunwell ever since Kil’jaedon was pushed back through it.
The Blood Elves are the rightful inhabitants of Quel’Thalas, as are the Horde races. Alliance burned their own bridges.
The racials seem to be having a slight effect to be honest, as people have stopped listening to Streamers, thinking for themselves and realising that …actually…the Alliance ones are pretty strong, The benefits of which are starting to show in War Mode.
Of which there are none. You keep repeating this falsehood with no evidence. Know what they call the High Elven community these days?
Void Elf players. And you know I’m right. Most, if not all, High Elf community members use Void Elves to represent their characters, with Humans coming a distant second, and Night Elves a distant third beyond that. The night elf community have it even easier. They can play Night Elves, and do so.
Think about it. If you want to play something that looks like a High Elf on Alliance, one of the 10%, then you can do it. So the people who want to do it, will already be doing it. If you want to play a Night Elf on Alliance, then you have always been able to do it, so the people who want to do it, will already be doing it.
Where is this mythological influx of players you expect to ditch their guilds, friends, characters and suddenly jump to Alliance to play things that are already available?
You aren’t going to get -extra- players, because you already -have- the people who want those elements…
Let us be brutally honest here, what is the only demographic of the playerbase that gives a hot damn about any Cities apart from Stormwind, Orgrimmar, and whatever the current Expansion capital is?
RP’ers.
Even on Argent Dawn, RP’ers are the only ones who use Silvermoon, it is the Secondary Hub for Horde RP. Casuals who don’t RP just lol around in Orgrimmar waiting for their queues to pop.
Now your problem there is that these are people who have invested time and effort in their characters, they know the lore, and why they are in their faction, and in many cases, the Blood Elves being in the Horde -is- the Draw…
So really you are just arguing to take all that away, and give it to Alliance, to encourage a shift in players that -won’t happen because it has already happened!-.
You’re not going to magically get all those Blood Elf and Nightborne RP’ers you know? You know that isn’t going to happen, don’t you? You already -have- the people who Alliance elves appeal to.
All that would happen if you take away the Elven stuff from Horde is that you would end up with a horribly polarised playerbase, These Forums would be a nightmare, because it would feel -shameful- to play on the Beggar Faction, and if you played Horde you would feel justified in just telling any Alliance posters to shut up whenever people are talking seriously, or on lore matters. And to be fair, you’d be justified in doing so.
Assuming you did get this massive swing in numbers (So 5 Alliance Elf races) in about three or four months you would see posts saying “What can we do to balance out the Factions, to make Horde more popular?”
But by then, it won’t matter. Because a vast swathe of the Horde players would either be playing the outnumbered faction already, or would simply have quit in Disgust. You couldn’t balance the game anymore, because it had been too sanitised and Tolkienised, and ultimately it would limp along as a one faction game, until finally Activision pulled the plug on the life support machine.
Of course it isn’t -Just- Enough to steal Horde Assets, you want them polished and buffed up a bit!
Actually it would massively detract from those other races, not add to them or compliment them. Do you seriously think for a minute, that Void Elves would be as popular as they are, if people weren’t using them to represent High Elves? You’d basically nuke the Void Elf Fanbase, which is small, but still paying players. Kaldorei players who want to play something like a Nightborne have this amazing ability. it is called “Roll a Kaldorei Mage Class”
Shocking, right? Who knew that they could do this ever since Cata.
This is why it starts to look selfish, especially in the Kaldorei/Shal’dorei aspect. If you want to play a Night Elven Mage. Shock news. You -Can-! Are you that desperate to steal from Horde players that you want a substandard model that barely resembles the in game Shal’dorei? That you want one square in Suramar as an instance, smaller even than Telogrus Rift, as your home ‘City’ Because heavens forfend the Horde get , to be honest, pretty crap things. But you want to take that away as well. Blimey, no wonder on RP realms the Nightborne tend to hang around in Silvermoon with their relatives and allies, but oh hang on, you want that as well!
I presume the Blood Elves and Nightborne would be getting some vastly superior sprawling high definition metropoli, which would of course have to be on what are currently Alliance Only Zones.
Not Contested ones. Alliance only. I can see the entirety of Azuremyst Isle being a nice venue for an Elven City, a sprawling City Island to house the 90% of the High Elven race that call themselves Blood Elves. (I mean, you’d have to be a little bonkers to imagine that they would go Alliance, even if 10% of their race somehow could live with War Criminals and traitors) As for the Nightborne, it is obvious isn’t it? An Instanced city of Black Rook Hold, with architecture from their time. I mean it would need to be a big place, because no Nightborne currently have any incentive to return to Kaldorei society, and the Kaldorei ruler has made it quite plain she doesn’t want them back.
So yes, two glorious cities for two glorious Horde races.
Of course, this does mean the Draenei would have to be booted out of Azuremyst and Bloodmyst isles, but look at it this way, the Exodar in lore can fly again, so they can run away as the Blood Elves seize their lands and start erecting the city Magically, and to be fair, it isn’t like you aren’t willing to throw other players under the bus just so you can get 5 varieties of Elves on Alliance, now is it?
There is no Alliance influence, as well you know.
So 90% of the race and 100% of the race, or are you like, going to rewrite the lore going back 10,000 years just to suit this ‘genius’ idea?
Thankfully it has neither.
No, it won’t. And you know it won’t, but you just don’t care that it won’t, as long as you get all the Elf stuff on Alliance. Seriously, are you paid by the Tolkien family estate or something? How can -anyone- claim to like Elves, I mean Elves in general, not just WoW ones, and think that Blood Elves and Nightborne don’t make sense. I genuinely don’t understand that mindset? When do you think our myths and legends of Elves started from, because it was long before 1954, I’m just saying…
Those elves from the old legends? Yeah…They’d be Horde…
So they would no longer be Blood Elves, (who -are- High Elves who call themselves Blood Elves) or Nightborne then (Who are an offshoot of night Elven Highborne)
See the problem “Y-you can still play your race guys, just, not as your race!”
That is certainly what I would do. If there was a faction of people, who had within them War Criminals, like, the worst, Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot when it specifically comes to my people, I would definitely blithely walk into that Faction. Said no one with a brain ever.
Sorry, Jaina is still alive. Vereesa is still alive, the Silver Covenant have not been disbanded and imprisoned for War Crimes. Your argument makes no sense. That simply would not happen. As we see in game.
You what? Alliance themed? It is based on a society that existed before the Human race even existed! There is nothing Alliance themed about it!
Nah. Personally I would think they were a faction of spoilt resentful brats with a ‘gimme gimme gimme’ mentality who did not understand lore, and did not care about the game’s lore, but they did once watch Lord of the Rings on TV, and that had humans and Elfs and Dwarfs in it, so that must be how it works, right? Right?
I wouldn’t find it interesting and attractive, I would find it a source of scorn and well founded contempt.
Don’t do this, I’m getting my Draenei levelled. Don’t make me feel disgust at playing an Alliance character…I never have done previously…
So again, I put it to you, your entire ‘plan’ to improve the Alliance is to take all cool stuff from the Horde, Horde can then do ‘something’ which is not defined, also more Night Elf stuff, Basically if it is Elven, you want it, and you don’t care about the rest of the Alliance, is what we’re getting from this.
Outstanding…
That is three enemy Cities to the Horde, which would give us Five types of Trolls in the Horde. Do you see anyone in the Horde clamouring for that?
But yeah, The Drakkiri, Amani and Farakki are all enemies of the Horde. And identical to playable Trolls. Sort of just like Void Elves can be to High Elves, weird huh,
Let us be honest. This thread has turned into one person’s refusal to let go of the fact that other books than Tolkien exist and that the Horde got Blood Elves and Nightborne.
To which the answer, this time without sugar coating it with an explanation is simply this:
Tough.
Get Over it.
You are not getting Horde Elves.
Let it Go.
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No i have not written something that is not true And no you have not keep count on it as i never done it to begind with and you never used them back at me as it is you who started it and no i jhave not done it to someone first as you are well aware of
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Go click on ‘Create Character’, click ‘Horde’ see what racial options you get given.
Whoops, looks like Blizzard do believe the same as I do!
No they dont.
Yes i have given it to you several times and yes it an adult approach unlike you cause something thet is not an adult approach is acting like you do by asking for an swers and the refusing to read them just cause you gets proven wrong.
No lore is not on your side as you have already been proven its on my side so log on and check ypourself and you will see that you are wrong
You already have the so you can just read what i already responded to you with cause yes we know there is answere unlike the lies you make up
No cause im not incorrect its you who are so log in yourself.And its not me who have a unique version as thats how it happen if you check the questlien yourself and i already have shown you proof
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What this also bottles down to is that the Horde are savages where they only hold a few pockets of areas, whilst the Alliance looks like a big powerhouse.
“Well, the superior Alliance will have Silvermoon and the Sunwell, Lordaeron and Suramar as well as maintain dominance over Kalimdor, Eastern Kingdoms, the Broken Isles and Kul’Tiras - the Horde, well you can have the Swamp of Sorrows…maybe? And Un’goro Crator…oh and those scattered troll areas…”
The fact that Kalibas and Kim actually think this is going to be implemented by Blizzard states how devoid they are from the story Blizzard is telling.
They really think that Blizzard will do this, which is probably the reason why the former has quit…his headcanons are not being produced by Blizzard and he’s mad about it.
This is what it becomes when you essentially remove a core alliance race and take it tot he horde - the alliance only becomes about humans because no one is as interested in their dwarves, gnomes and the others. Alliance really is mainly humans and elves in Warcraft this is where the biggest love is. Oh they could have also made the dwarves quite desirable, like the LotR films do, but they didn’t for the same reason they didn’t build on the night elves or make the great like they were in their lore.
There lack of attention was intentional, so they could build the horde, this is why interesting races like the Night elves and the Dwarves are so boring.
When you look at night elf lore, it’s fascinating, combine their pre-sundering arcane/priesthood civilization with the long vigil druidic/priest society - you get immense diversity and variation with the uniqueness of night civilization focuses on the stars and the stuff that you can be creative with that, never mind all the particulars of sects like the Wardens, the Moon Priestesses, the Moonguard and Highborne, the various druidic packs - nature, flora, fauna, the arcane, the stars, the moon, the night.
Tell me why are night elves so boring with such an interesting and diverse/fascinating origin story and make up?
**This is by choice… blizzard chose not to make them interesting, then when they started bringing the kaldorei civilization to life, instead of add them to the kaldorei, they chose instead to improve the horde with more alliance stuff - **
No wonder the alliance is losing members and is considered boring with only humans to make this interesting. It’s not because night Elves, high elves and dwarves can’t be interesting its because they put all the effort into the horde, making blood eLves (which are high elves) interesting on the horde, giving the most interesting night elf sub-race and cultural presentation of the pre-sundering night elves to the horde instead of the alliance?
notice a trend? The most fascinating thing about the alliance and their races are going horde - so off course alliance players are going to keep going horde and off course the horde is gonna feel like it’s half the alliance or confused about it’s identity. If they want the core of Warcraft restored and strong, vibrant, authentic and interesting they know what they have to do. Return the high elf and night elf stuff sitting in the blood elves and Nightborne back to the Alliance and do something non-alliance with what remains of the blood elves and Nightborne on the horde, and use that opportunity to boost and make more predominant the actual horde races in ways players will like and be interested. THAT IS NOT ALLIANCE?
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Silvermoon and Suramar are not your answers.
To make the Alliance interesting, simply tone down the Human focus and improve the other races. How hard is that to understand? You want to only gloss over that issue which other Alliance lore fans (true Alliance lore fans) have already stated.
At this stage, Silvermoon and Suramar won’t triumph over Golden’s love for Anduin and Jaina. She will still want them involved in every story.
That is why Silvermoon and Suramar, along with the Blood Elves and Nightborne, are better off far away from that faction.
Remember 5.1 with Varian and Tyrande? Yeah, that’s all that awaits Elves on the Alliance. It’s high time, you got used to it and switched to the Horde.
You’re wrong, that is in your head, you think this is what it’s about for me, but it isn’t. It’s nothing about the alliance being superior or inferior.
The alliance needs to feel superior for being alliance to the Alliance players. The horde needs to feel superior for being the horde to horde players.
This is harder and confusing when you make half the horde very much alliance. It benefits no one.
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Don’t pretend that you care for the Horde. It’s all a facade.
Alliance story problem is the Human focus. Get rid of the writers who write that crap and get those who like all the Alliance races equally and then the Alliance will be interesting. Your problem is that you’ve got Christie Golden who writes the Alliance stories…
Actually read what people have said. True Alliance fans have already said that and they are 100% right. It’s not about what the Horde has got. It’s about internal problems with the Alliance story. It’s the Human focus that you only want to gloss over because your still salty, 3 years after, about Nightborne going Horde.
You have stuck your fingers in your ears because you want to blame the Horde for why your writing is bad. It’s not the Horde at all. It’s the incompetence of the Alliance writers who can’t write races like Night Elves, Draenei, Void Elves, Worgen, Dark Iron Dwarves etc.
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