With Phase 2 in full swing I keep reading about people “only logging in for raid night” like that is somehow a bad thing.
Are we supposed to be engaged with this game 24/7? Why is raid logging always frowned down upon?
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It’s not. Why even care?
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It makes the game less alive. Like in live servers, i only played 6 hours a week, 3 hours two times a week.
Not sure i can make a good comparison, but the stuff at live is tedious at best and not engaging, while classic i feel has more stuff that doesn’t feel like a waste of time. I have plenty of stuff to do, help friends/guildies etc. but i suppose some people are 120% done for current content. When BG’s come out, they might be more online, but still hang around the BG NPC’s.
So you should force yourself to do more than just raidlog to make the game feel more alive? Thats not a good reason.
I dont think there should be infinite content just so people keep logging in, otherwise we arrive at retail.
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Every day we have queue on Firemaw. We could use more people ‘raidlogging’.
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Cos 13 euro a month for 6 hours a week is a little underwhelming tbh.
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That’s 0.54€ an hour.
I see it as paying for entertainment, if I go to the cinema it will cost me more than £5 an hour, if I go to the pub it will cost me way over £10 an hour. All other form of entertainment (that I have to pay for) will cost me way more than 0.54€ an hour. So in the end , raid login isn’t that expensive, in fact it’s really cheap!
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My goal has always been to raidlog and be able to do what I want for fun when I want. I hate never ending hamster wheels…
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It’s not a bad thing, but it usually implies a raidlogger is out of things to do or/and in a burnout phase, so that might be the issue coloring it as bad.
The actual bad is when you are forced into raidlogging (or in case of others, rolling alts) because you can’t do what you want to do properly.
It’s mostly people that have been programmed by retail’s style of content distribution. It took me around 20 something days to get to the point where I raid log on my main, and even then I still run dungeons and farm ocassionally. And I am honestly glad I don’t have to forcefully log in to get my weekly azerite bonus or whatever.
This attitude of ‘oh there’s nothing to do after 20 days time of /played’ is what got us amazing systems in retail wow like the azerite armor or the replacement of character progression through stats and gear with an overbandunce of cheap cosmetics you can chase constantly. Honestly if you’re in that mindset retail wow or even mobile games are there for you. I personally am glad there’s a cutoff point where my character is maxxed out and I only have optional things left to do.
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Absolutely not what i would suggest. Just that the content itself might not be as appealing/people might have lots of stuff to do.
We aren’t as ignorant as we were back then, theorycrafting, 15 years of experience have made us able to do things we didn’t know was possible.
I still enjoy the stuff to do, it doesn’t feel meaningless, and it’s quite relaxing.
Okay if you see it that way. Other people, myself included, see it as paying for extremely limited repetitive content that is clearly not worth the amount asked.
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I don’t mind people raidlogging, I rolled Alliance this time for the firs time ever, and boy are there a lot of people that just raidlog.
I have however seen a lot of arguments on the forums/reddit, and I do find it kind of dumb when people try to gatekeep/silence people venting about the faction imbalance situation. And it becomes extra silly when it’s a person who just raid logs.
Another situation was when a guy said he was against hybridspecs playing dps in raids (even shadowpriests), as he sees them all as “memespecs” and should not get loot. This somehow annoyed me since it’s literally what caused the homogenization and porting to instances in retail, people being elitist over meters and not realizing the team effort/bringing the player.
TL;dr: raid logging is fine, just don’t be an elitist douche that tries to silence others or dictate how they play.
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I see raidlogging a symptom with the game rather than the players. It is a strong indicator that there isn’t currently enough meaningful or enjoyable things to do in the game when loads of people are raidlogging.
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But does there need to be such a wealth of content that people log in daily for months?
I don’t know if anything in a game is truly needed but it would be preferable if players wanted to log in daily for months. Now by that I don’t mean the current retail strategy where you log in just to do your chores. That just makes you hate the game and quit entirely.
For example Battlegrounds will likely cause me to start logging in every day for hours. Not because it’s a chore but because it is content that isn’t just gold farming.
This is the difference between people that enjoy the game, played from private server for a decade, and people that don’t enjoy the game and come for most of them from Retail.
The first play in group everytime, log even if there’s nothing to do just to enjoy the game, doing stuff like World PvP in premade, farming for future content, reroll, they are probably in hardcore guild to push further, they wanted Classic, they love this game.
The second login for raid only, and they instant disconnect when it’s done. They are in casual guild, because no serious structure want people that don’t enjoy the game, and they are not really invested in the game when they are “done” with something because they can’t enjoy it by doing simple stuff. Most of them are PvE player without any interest in PvP to.
Also, there’s people that work, they can’t play fulltime like they played on release.
PVP content always has more longevity than PVE content, because its not static. Players make it dynamic and refreshing.
But eventually you could arrive at a state of “BG logging”, with people standing next to battlemasters 24/7 just queueing up and playing BGs. Same state as Raid Logging, will that be frowned upon too?
Who cares about what some “holier than thou” people think about the way YOU play the game YOU are paying for ?
Just ignore them.
Yet you’d pay the same to go to the movies watch a 2 hours flick. Amusing.