What's the point of talents if meta exists?

There are some so-called META builds that need to be played with pin-point accuracy with procs etc. which many players will not be getting the most out of.
With this system they can make some tweaks and maybe achieve better results. It allows for more experimentation.

Also when in Open World questing / solo content you can make builds with survivability or utility in mind rather than pure dps throughput.

problem is, Blizzard forgot to make WOW more Esports, friendly, so PRO players and minmaxers are in same enviroment as casuals. and ure focred to use meta.

  • you compete to get the same gear
 doesnt matter if its M, H, N

the only solution is to kill Mythic make game much more easier and everything else, should be considered as e sport bracket where, minmaxing can live separately to normal players


I love that I am able to customize the build to match my playstyle. Now I really have options to build my character as I want to play it.
Meta builds are booring and just for elites, if you ask me.

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Dungeon finder, LFR, pugs, guilds or sometimes even irl (one of my husband’s friends thinks not playing meta = you are an autistic moron and I’m not allowed in the groups he is in :D)
 It doesn’t happen to everyone or everyday, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. And the best way to deal with it is to not play with people who are obsessed with meta.

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a simple system fix: every 2 weeks buff lowest performing talents till theyre equal

Because normal ppl don’t give a f about meta, they play whatever they enjoy.

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Sounds simple and it is also too simple. Tons of talents are not just about throughput where you can slap a buff or nerf on.

yes you can :slight_smile: very easy : ) is it 5% difference? 5% buff to that talent tree

How do i get 5% buff on my tremor totem?

Also very possible different builds are used depending on pvp, raiding, M+ or open world content.

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we arent talking about abilities like utility but pure dmg

if dmg is same then trees are fine

You have to go through those utility to get to throughput abilities. It is a tree from now on.
And utility is a make or break in M+. The game is not only about damage. Or i should take a dps passive over my interrupt button :thinking:

well the idea to add interrupts and tremors as talents should be discarded then :wink: since its rubbish idea. im sure theyll do it at some point

What is your definition of normal people?

Because so we can have a choice. The only way to have no Meta would be everyone plays the same. Like you can only have a tank class a damage dealer class and a healer class with a fixed set of abilities that is not changeable.

Not sure why some expected otherwise. 5 talent choice or 50
matters little. As long as there is a choice, there will be the meta choice
 EVEN if the difference between meta and non-meta are 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% in numbers.

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I wish there was a way to Thanos snap the word meta

monkey see monkey do 
 don’t matter if its the top mythic keys or raiding the community will mindlessly copy what the higher tier people are doing and you’ll have no choice but to follow the meta choices

I am not denying that it might happen. But i think it is rarer than people are trying to make it. Usually, no one cares if you are doing your job

Replying to original topic start, some ppl dont play competitive they do lfr and random pvp so very casual, and they play what they like not what is strongest.

why play any class instead of FOTM → cos ppl enjoy

This is why its good you can change builds whenever you like.
Have a meta build for group content or a PVP build then have an RP build thats fun to play!

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