What's wrong with RP-PvP and how can it be improved?

[Telaryn-argent-dawn (Telaryn)]

@Perroy-argent-dawn

Trust me as someone who has run campaigns in big numbers before / after the shift – griefing used to be a massive headache and it would really not work to bring back the old way

Basically this. The old way was really cool and made the RP PvP experience better when things worked right. The reason we shifted away from it as a community was the headaches that came from people griefing pretty much any moderately advertised RP PvP event.

Only times it worked back then was those unannounced small scale skirmishes between a couple of guilds when there was less chance of some low tier raiding guild coming over after they failed to put together a raid group that reset and instead deciding to find cheap thrills

winks at camera

[Brigante-argent-dawn (Brigante)]

@Yue-argent-dawn

Why do you comment on supposedly bad English when you’re flatly incapable of using apostrophes or capital letters correctly, Brigante?

Because there is not a need for an apostrophe in that statement, Thanks.

[Ixirar-argent-dawn (Ixirar)]

There’s not a need for a capital T in that thanks, either, but here we are

[Chíeun-argent-dawn (Chíeun)]

Wow, I remember Brigante and Perroy being best buds. What happened?

[Lóras-argent-dawn (Lóras)]

I think Yue’s point is that people living in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Criticising someone for poor English is a bit strange when, as a native speaker, I barely understand what you write at the best of times.

[Telaryn-argent-dawn (Telaryn)]

@Brigante-argent-dawn

No, they tend to use assault rifles, whilst powerful with the nato standard 5.56 bullet

I laugh in 7.62x39

[Brigante-argent-dawn (Brigante)]

Well, actually, there is a need for a capital, It is an obscure one, But it is essentially a start of a statement, as such it should be prefaced by a Capital letter. ITs not a cool thing, or a great thing, but it is a recent English Language thing.

[Elyrius-argent-dawn]

I begin to read through Brigante’s long-winded response that consists of repeatedly stating the obvious and quite randomly sniping “Perroy” whilst also not doing so very well

Brigante… I think it’s time to calm down… [I begin to tremble out of concern]

[Khunrun-argent-dawn (Khunrun)]

Look at this spiffing castle, Brigante.

[Chíeun-argent-dawn (Chíeun)]

@Lóras-argent-dawn

I think Yue’s point is that people living in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Criticising someone for poor English is a bit strange when, as a native speaker, I barely understand what you write at the best of times.

Oddly, native English speakers seem to be worse at it somehow in my experience. I have never seen anyone but the British make the classic ‘should of’ error.

[Perroy-argent-dawn (Perroy)]

@Chíeun-argent-dawn

(Also why is this directed at Perroy? Weird, ignore that)

Obsessed

@Chíeun-argent-dawn

That and I am pretty sure most casualties were from post battle wounds, disease etc, and the presence of WoW’s extremely overpowered healers means that not only will people die a lot slower in combat, the risk of succumbing to your wounds afterwards or dying from disease are drastically cut.

I read somewhere most deaths were from fleeing guys getting cut down. Source: some video about romans on youtube

@Brigante-argent-dawn

Really? I mean as much as I personally agree with you, you -might- want to tell Blizzard that. I mean if that is your stance, with your established universe, you may want to let them know they are overstepping the line by including elements of modern western military. I agree, it is foolish…but its there…

I mean that you can’t apply NATO logic to World of Warcraft combat

Sure they have guns and tanks but people can also conjure fire / fly / heroic leap around and so on

If the US marines knew how to heroic leap IRL, I would bet you they’d probably use that ability in combat

@Brigante-argent-dawn

Not even going to say ‘Unironic’ because not only is the phrase a bad use of English language, and incorrect, but it is actually an Incorrect statement. It is in fact…Ironic. I know, don’t run, don’t hide, Ironic is a word, despite what the memes say. Ironic is a word. It exists. Its OK…

I use my [ARCANE KNOWLEDGE: LOVECRAFTIAN BOOMERPOSTING] ability to try to decipher what this means

Rolled a 12, let me know

@Brigante-argent-dawn

A Fascinating idea, probably one you should have thought about during the Redridge Campaign. Why did that Alliance Mana Weapon end up getting used, eh? Why did the Alliance have Mana Bombs eh? You let that happen, you made it so, so don’t pretend. Just own up to it? Was it to justify killing more prisoners?

I told people they could emote what they wanted outside of the campaigns mechanics because I’m not the arbiter of their roleplay. That doesn’t mean I necessarily think that destroying armies that dwarf the scope of the conflict in forum emotes is particularly tasteful

I don’t need OOC justifications for my overtly evil character to do overtly evil acts - he’s not a Second Life avatar

@Brigante-argent-dawn

You have absolutely no idea of the Fliers Discord, that much is apparent…Thousands of soldiers?

It was 800

@Brigante-argent-dawn

You have absolutely no idea of the Fliers Discord

That discord was made by one of my officers, actually - you’re welcome

Nevertheless I would argue that it’s pretty niche compared to people who enjoy unrestricted RP PVP. We can crunch some numbers if you like lol

@Brigante-argent-dawn

You’re using that word again. It’s not fortunate, its a bit cute that you find it still ‘hip’ as they used to say, but sure, lets say ‘Based’ that sounds…cool

Yes, I try to type like I exist in the modern era instead of LARPing as someone stuck in WW2

@Brigante-argent-dawn

Are you now, Do you want me to call you out on what Da Vinci did, or just what you failed at?

I don’t care, gnomish

[Aerilen-argent-dawn (Aerilen)]

@Chíeun-argent-dawn

Oddly, native English speakers seem to be worse at it somehow in my experience. I have never seen anyone but the British make the classic ‘should of’ error.

I think this comes from slang/colloquial talk. It took me a while to get out of the habit.

[Telaryn-argent-dawn (Telaryn)]

I don’t understand what Aerilen is saying right now

[Ixirar-argent-dawn (Ixirar)]

One of my guildies does it consequently because it pisses Lotheridan off

[Yue-argent-dawn (Yue)]

@Aerilen-argent-dawn

I think this comes from slang/colloquial talk. It took me a while to get out of the habit.

Basically this, it’s a dialect thing for some regions.

@Brigante-argent-dawn

Well, actually, there is a need for a capital, It is an obscure one, But it is essentially a start of a statement, as such it should be prefaced by a Capital letter. ITs not a cool thing, or a great thing, but it is a recent English Language thing.

No it isn’t. Also, “its” should be “it’s” if it isn’t (it is) a possessive, dingus.

Please stop.

[Croecell-argent-dawn (Croecell)]

@Perroy-argent-dawn

I use my [ARCANE KNOWLEDGE: LOVECRAFTIAN BOOMERPOSTING] ability to try to decipher what this means

I’m going to stick a toe out and say that its perhaps the word Unironic shouldn’t be used for the mey-meys and it is actually ironic.

[Prussian-argent-dawn (Prussian)]

“unrestricted rp-pvp isnt actually rp”

“you cant decide on the behalf of other people”

“okay i cant but its not actually rp”

[Regnauld-argent-dawn]

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

Basically this. The old way was really cool and made the RP PvP experience better when things worked right. The reason we shifted away from it as a community was the headaches that came from people griefing pretty much any moderately advertised RP PvP event.

It was cool but I know where Perroy is coming from as I’ve helped run a number of RP-PVP campaigns back in the day. (My last one being Red August -shock-). It really is just not viable with how easy it can be for griefers to swoop in and just ruin the experience for both sides. When I was semi decent at pvp I spent most of my time high in the sky waiting to swoop down on any griefer that’d show up. It was very boring.

[Lóras-argent-dawn (Lóras)]

@Brigante-argent-dawn

Well, actually, there is a need for a capital, It is an obscure one, But it is essentially a start of a statement, as such it should be prefaced by a Capital letter. ITs not a cool thing, or a great thing, but it is a recent English Language thing.

I’d be interested to see the citation for this, since it isn’t something I’ve ever heard of before. As far as I can tell, in your case, it is a series of individual sentences lumped together with commas, making it very difficult to separate/read.

[Ixirar-argent-dawn (Ixirar)]

Unrestricted is legit RP as long as my side wins t b h