I think a large part of it is that the Horde was meant to be a mismatched faction by design, brought together by a pact of mutual survival. Those banding together didn’t necessarily like each other so there was room for conflict, intrigue and scheming.
It worked, originally. Then any subtlety was thrown out of the door and entire races were neutered in terms of power, tone and aesthetics.
At the same time, the Alliance was also gradually turned into more a mismatched faction, though with the races all conveniently liking each other for the most part. Even the more controversial elements, such as the Void Elves, were welcomed with open arms - despite tapping into a far more dangerous power than Fel, which was cited as ‘unforgivable’ when the Blood Elves did it out of necessity to avoid being wiped out.
There’s no consistency.
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The blood elves dropped the Fel. The void elves keep digging deeper.
Just think about, how much more logical the story would have been, if void elves were Horde and Blood Elves joined the alliance after TBC lol
Logical Bloodelf reaction:
“Thanks Velen for restoring the Sunwell. Kael’thas indeed sold us out to the Burning Legion and twisted our souls with his fel magic. Now it’s time to re-unite with the alliance after Kael’thas’ tyranny!”
Blizzard’s implicit version:
“Well, we were mislead by Kael’thas to join the Horde due to Kil’Jaden’s influence, who exploited us, drained our ressources, and supported the scourge, which nearly wiped out our species. Now though, after the alliance helped us recover again, we are just gonna stay in the Horde and help the Banshee, Sylvanas, exploit us again. For the Horde!”
You alliance players are the most pathetic and salty group of entitled people ever. Even after 17 years you continue to whine about not having Quel’thalas.
In what point horde did exploit blood elves? they were accepted and respected by the horde and specially the forsaken. Also with Kael’thas “tyranny” in the end he just wanted to help the whole race but didn’t see any otherway to fix their problems. It wasnt anyway selfish more like impulsive.
It sure is an slight headcanon but i don’t blame you we just see things differently.
Not in anypoint sylvanas even abused or took anything away from blood elves it was total opposite too withouth forsaken help they would have lost silvermoon and the surrounding areas
Don’t be bothered by him. He is part of the high elf fans still mad that the blood elves left the alliance all the way back in Frozen throne.
Sylvanas exploited the whole Horde, including the Blood Elves, to push the Jailer’s grand plan. One of the first plot point for the Blood Elves after the Alliance saved them in TBC was also Garrosh’s reign, and Lorthemar sided with the Alliance to stop him. Also, think about how Sylvanas started to raise her soldiers and behave like the scourge in Cataclysm. Narratively the Blood Elve’s allegiance is a bit illogical, but I understand, why it was better for the game due to gameplay reasons. However, the fact for example, the Forsaken killed Dalaran Mages and raised them as scourge again, didn’t really seem like something, that the Bloodelves would have liked considering their past.
In the end, they sided with what they hated the most, instead of siding with their past friends, who have also saved them from themselves recently. Odd storytelling, but it’s Blizzard’s fault, and I understand why you like Blood Elves being in the Horde. It’s just that Blizzard gave them very weak reasons for it.
Your narrative where all elves are part of the alliance by default does not exist. Blizzard even added Nightborne to the Hode to justify their aligance even mroe nowdays.
Let it go. You have your own elves. Be happy on that instead of trying to force Blizzard undo almost 20 years of story for your personal comfort.
It is funny you never say the same things on Vulpera, Undead or Nightborne, just blood elves because you hate it that the kingdom who joined last to the blue team is somehow supposed to be their most loyal ally.
Newsflash. High elves lost Dalaran and Theramore because karma was catching up because they never apologized for the various massacres Vereesa and her goons committet on the Sin’dorei. That is what you deserve for being a human bootlicker over your own homeland.
You prolly never played the starting areas of vanilla itself for forsaken. She gave always people the choice to be free or join common cause or having swift another death.
And in warcraft era you don’t deal with your allies or friends that way that old alliance did, there is so many reasons why blood elves wouldnt trust the humans. and when they were going to deal with the alliance joining back, you had an another human basically slaughtering their people at dalaran, youd expect em to forget and forgive all that?
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Also reminds me with forsaken even that at first they asked to join at the alliance, but instead they got ignored and basically marked as monsters who should be killed in sight.
So blood elves have so much in common with forsaken they are literally brothers in arms considering they have the same reasons
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I think Void Elves fit way better to the Horde than the Nightborne. Would have made more sense, if Nightborne, and Void Elves were both Horde. Especially due to the existing void worshippers among the Orcs and the Forsaken with the cult of the forgotten Shadows for example. Instead, the Highmountain Tauren could have been alliance for example, as they have a shared fate with the Nightelves.
The Vulpera fit really well to the Horde. They have a similar story to the Tauren too, where they got help against the Sethrakk instead of centaur. Thematically, culturally, and visually they also are strongly fitting to Horde.
With the Forsaken it could have been either way tbh, but the way, the old alliance behaved, during earlier versions of warcraft, they wouldn’t have accepted their warlock and shadowpriest culture. Undercity in the end used to be a place for criminals, when Lordaeron was active before the scourge invasion.
However, you could also have some Forsaken, who maybe feel more connected to the Alliance, because maybe they remember their past. One example would be Alonsus Faol, who sided with the Alliance after he broke out of the control of the Lich King. However, Forsaken’s Horde alignment is definitely sensible in the end due to the new culture and identity they’ve built for themselves, and sticked to until now.
Blood elves fit right there too, mana addicted people who were trying to survive too, trying hard to find the fix to their problem.
and i agree on vulpera eventhough they arent that kind of cool race that horde is usually, their story fits well with the ideology of horde itself.
and feeling of this connected with alliance which i meant with mending storyline, both sides understanding what they did wrong and somehow patch things up. but that doesnt mean throwing away culture away either fully. and no ditching the own factions cause they have had so much help from em in past. that would make both fanbases happy if they did it well cause they mostly never aren’t gonna go into faction conflict in another 6 years
Well, that was the case, the very moment, that the Highborne were exiled to Eastern Kingdoms, and there they allied with the Humans during the Troll Wars. Look, I promise I’m not a Horde Hater. I like the Horde a lot. I just dislike the inconsistent and highly illogical storytelling regarding the Belves. Also, look how much Blizzard is changing the Forsaken culture into a cuddle faction with 0 edge. They could have also easily written the Belves to fit very well to the Horde, but they’re definitely doing blunders in world building.
I know that you don’t hate em but you see em differently as the people who are more on horde’s side. just like obviously i have my biases eventhough ive played both sides but thats normal as a human
And the forsaken issue can be easily fixed just throw away caelia and show they havent lost their old culture at all. But all the hate would be aimed elsewhere considering they are going for this storyline of external forces against azeroth in every corner. they could show their cutthroat style of warfare against those forces not other azerothian people
but even that might be pipedream considering they don’t know at all what forsaken are and what they represent
Yeah, and many people in the Forsaken, were actually criminals and other shady folk, who used to live in undercity before they got raised as undead. In the Arthas book it also says, that the King Terenas was too scared to put order in Undercity, because of how powerful the people down there have become. It’s definitely very unfortunate, that Blizzard is removing their uniqueness in the story.
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Arthas resurrected most of them and those where the inhabitants of the actual city not the undercity.
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actually yeah, they were basically both that were resurrected. seeing even the quests that they were just normal people with families from upper part of the city and countryside
But that really shows too how many different kinds of people were slaved by scourge and how many different people broke out from the control too, to forsaken
I wonder, if the Deathstalkers used to live in old undercity, when they were alive
Obviously both lol. Or where did you get that they were only from the actual city?
The sewer was empty. That is where Orgrim escaped through. If it was actually guarded he would have never escaped.