When will the alliance finally lose?

I certainly won’t disagree with you on that. A lot of that made no sense, quite independent of the Forsaken.

It also came years later than the supposed Forsaken reachout, though. And in the more recent Before the Storm the humans were persuadable towards the Forsaken, including supposed hardliners like Genn and Turalyon.

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He was, yet the Alliance still recognised him as the most powerful remaining official of Lordaeron and both Stormwind and Ironforge sent him a lot of support - including soldiers, soldiers that were killed by the Forsaken when they betrayed him.

Because Alleria, one of the Alliance’s biggest war heroes, vouched for them.

Very different from Forsaken + because Tyrande and the night elves vouched for them. Most of the time they appear human too.

They didn’t. A handful of Man’ari are seeking redemption they acknowledge they will probably never receive, that’s it. The Man’ari are not accepted by the Alliance.

Because Tirion Fordring, again one of the Alliance’s biggest heroes, vouched for them.

Who are forced to hide out in the basement of a dank tavern where no one knows of their presence because of how hated they are.

They saved the lives of the Alliance’s leadership.

That’s the rhyme and reason to their stance on such things. Your examples are of things the Alliance barely tolerates because someone they venerate vouched for them or straight up hates.

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By the way, a new faction conflict happened in Arathi, while we weren’t looking.
With the Alliance as aggressors.

Is it alliance aggersion when the mag`har wanted to settle in arathi- you know which was acutly won by the alliance in teh forth war (which is even confirmed) and became allaince teretory- omny have then horde in it- the guy you gough previsuly.

Its is an act of Aggression, like you wout put russians now in in estonia, lithuania and lativa so settle in to replace the people who aculy live there.

The Horde just keeps winning and winning.

Lost the battle of Stromgarde, but get to keep half of the Arathi Highlands.

Also hate how small they make the world, you can see Stromgarde from Hammerfall in lore…

The Horde also got Fenris Keep as per the Forsaken heritage quest…

They are the only faction that has a permanent settlement in Darkshore and they still hold large swaths of Ashenvale.

Every Alliance “win” is slowly bieng returned to the Horde and then some.

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This, its just absurd how the horde is still able or allowed to hold Hammerfall, after they win the arathi Highland, and the mag’har are about to settle ther, it make the alliance “victory” meaningless qhen hirde has still their holdings and even more if you consider that the few surviving mag hat , we talk about some hundred, Maby 1000 are still enough to krep the 7.legion and stroma army in check.

Still classic horde bias, every gain is very fast returned, like as you mentioned fenris keep and now arathi which make every alliance victorys for nothing (and even change the status of those aftwr one year, exploring azeroth was released, basically retconed the situation)

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It’s Blizzard, numbers will never make sense and not be given in detail. However few or many the Mag’har and Kor’kron were they outnumbered the Stromic Army and 7th Legion.

It only took Thrall a matter of days to walk from Stromgarde to Hammerfall while poisoned too.

Blizzard is just returning everything to Cataclysm (and in a few places Classic) status quo. I mean, Alliance still somehow holds the Tiragarde Keep in Durotar, for example.

I think it’s because of how much people squealed about Teldrassil and Undercity, now they are afraid to make any drastic change to the game world.

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That is because the Ingame World doesn’t represent the changes made to it. In the Books, Malfurion drives the Horde all the way from Darkshore and most of Ashenvale. All of Darkshore and Ashenvale are back under Alliance Control.

Thats just not true.

In the end, the Alliance won the Battle for Darkshore, and the tribe continues to live in Shatterspear Vale under their new chieftain, Ohseso, who continues to rebuild in hopes that the tribe can ever answer the Horde’s call.

~ Exploring Azeroth: Kalimdor.

They could also have tried a different change from “it is just gone, watch the ruins and despair!” for once, but I guess that’s too much nuance…

Also, they blew up Dalaran.

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There is no Horde bias. You are entitled and full of crap as always.

Not again with those horde bias nonsense

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The Grove of the Ancients is still present, so the night elves at least have some presence there. But in the same breath Darkshore is described as being virtually void of life due to how severely the ravages of the Forsaken affected it.

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They never change.

Agreed. I’m not sure how positioning the Horde or at least elements of it as the aggressors yet again is meant to be ‘fan service’. Not in the least due to it also being confirmed that Gallywix is set to be a raid boss in one of the upcoming patches.

Sure, he was always ruthless and a bad apple but he’s yet another former racial leader tied to the Horde who is almost certainly going to be killed off in a raid.

When’s the last time an Alliance or Alliance adjacent character was fought as a raid boss and killed off rather than redeemed or teleported out at the last possible second?

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I can literally only think of Archbishop Benedictus, all the way back in Cataclysm, as a Dungeon Boss. And he wasn’t even an actual major character.

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Stuff is unfair man.

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Yeah, their decisions on who players get to kill are strange, to say the least. I mean killing a Nazgrim for example means nothing at all to the Alliance players, but is a kick in the balls of Horde players. Killing a Garrosh or a Sylvanas on the other hand would certainly mean something… but they get to survive their raid defeats, blue-balling the Alliance. Everyone is frustrated, no one is happy. Maybe it’s just not a good idea to make faction character kills a raid thing at all…

Just like maybe they could stop destroying cities at the start of an expansion to make a point, which historically hit the Alliance way harder than the Horde.

Hey. you’re forgetting Fandral in the Firelands! Night Elves kinda cared about him, I think.

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Making money and being fun was enough for the goblins that is why Gallywix worked well. But for some reason Blizzard is now trying to make them a serious race so they elected a communist(gazlowe) as their new leader.

I can assure you that I felt no pride or fun when Theramore and Teldrassil got deleted.

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