When will the alliance finally lose?

That’s the point, yes. They shouldn’t be choosing these scenarios that no one is happy with, be it the random loss of beloved characters to fill up a raid, or the destruction of beloved locations to pretend that there are great stakes before they send you to water the sheep.

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Been quite a few years since I stopped caring for the factions. Is it still fun doing the tally counter?

Personally never found the story in Arathi Highlands… in any way prideful or fun. Or inspiring. Or nice. Or cool. Actually nothing positive, really.

Is a neutral location!

After listening to the Heartlands audio books, I must say. Marran sounds basically like a Human Garrosh. Can’t wait to see how her actions are somehow justified as simply looking out for her people and culture.

If you finished it, spoilers no idea how to add those.

Also, 100% we’ll see her in the Empire of Arathor expac.

Also, Marran is justified, the Horde lost the war but they still get to keep half the Arathi Highlands while her people dont get their old farms back because its now Horde?

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No she isn’t. She dreams of an alliance that no longer exists. The threats Azeroth face atm are bigger then the needs of a handful of farmers or stupid border disputes.

She doesn’t dream of an Alliance at all, she dreams of an Arathi empire (such a coincidence that we just found out about one! Probably won’t be important, will it?).

She loudly complains about Arathi ressources going into Alliance projects, and that they’d be much better off, if they kept what they had, retreated from their alliances, and got rid of those filthy immigrants. She isn’t a particularly subtle political allegory…

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To be fair a lot of conflicts throughout history have erupted precisely because of leader figures - whether elected or otherwise - developing such a biased out group preference that they neglect their own people and even shun them if they want nothing to do with those who despise them. Even as those same individuals and groups secure more and more power for themselves.

Even putting that aside, factions such as the Scarlet Crusade aren’t exactly subtle either but they have a decent amount of fans as a lot of people like the trope of desperate people resorting to desperate measures in order to protect their homeland and people.

It’s what spoke to me originally with the Blood Elves in their initial iteration.

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What I am most surprised at was the Mag’har being granted Hammerfall when there are many settlements closer to Orgrimmar they could have taken over.

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Well, I guess the immigrants of that story needed to be brown…

But a lot of it doesn’t make much sense from a continuity and world-building standpoint, but that’s hardly new. I still wonder why the heck they were going with 7th Legion and Kor’kron when it was obviously just local units under local command that wouldn’t even take orders from the higher authorities…
And putting any new Horde in Hammerfall, when Shadows Rising made a point of highlighting Horde people being expelled from the Highlands, ist just… typical, I guess…
Not to mention that they invented Marran (and I guess an unknown sibling of Danath to spawn her) just for this…

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  1. legion was just auxiliaries, not “propper” Troopers which is still just a bit oevrkill to deal with the reaming problems like bandits, the Korkorn were just send in on Geyarahs request to secure" the situation.
    8Which is in bot cases also strange since 7. legion is under direct command of the King of stomwind, so why had Marran still command /authoriti over then?
    Similar with the Korkron- which at firstt were just the perosnal guard of the warchief, the became duing Wotlk the elite army of the warchief under his personal order (until with mop they make then more like a regular arrmy), i doubt any horde leader can just order the korkorn without permission of the horde council, since tehr were the hordes finest.

Yeah, that is BS and undermine the “Victory” threir the alaince wonn the land but horde still (is alowed) to life tehrie, even dividing the land…so, absicly allaince gain even less from it.

THE WHOLE ECISTENCE OF MARRAN IS A RETCON

Danath was the Last of the Trollbane line. his Son was Killed in classic, in cata part of the fosaken until he betrayed then in…guess legion was it and get killed again

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Danath is too old to have kids of his own so the line will die with him.

For all we know Danath had a bunch of kids in Outlands.

Just because other family members weren’t mentioned until relevant for the story doesn’t mean they don’t exist, or do all your families exist of only 1 or 2 people too? (Mine’s 200+ people).

I mean Kael’thas Sunstrider’s niece was added (and promptly Scourgified) aswell, nobody was bothered by her existence.

The Sunstrider line is gone. The Main line of Arathor too(Galen and Thoras).

The family line was like this:

Thoras Trollbane was the king. Galen was his son(and crown prince). Danath his nephew(Last actual male heir we know of).

Source which shows us the exact family lineage of all the important families in Warcraft.

Or do they keep it vague so lineages like Durotan’s and Trollbanes wont actually die out?

That line should also have Thoras grandfather, his uncle, etc but it doesn’t show. So its vague on purpose so Blizzard can add to it when needed for the story.

His father was called Liam. Irony the son of Genn had the same Name.

Still bs when in 20 yeas of warcraft out if nowhere previously unknown family member appear, just for one purpose

Hel. , we got a full familiar tree of the wrynn family, we know big part of the proudmore or Greymane family.

Add some family members who dindt get mentioned or hinted in years is bs, because Blizzard forget it and only do it to drive further a plot ir wast then for one purpose

No, we know the main family branches, Marran is clearly not from the main branch so wasn’t important enough to mention until Danath became King and needed a Trollbane regent go rule in his stead.

It is like Royal families irl, there are probably hundreds of people that share ancestry with my country’s King, they’re never mentioned, nor is it needed to mention them, because he has brothers, sisters, cousins and daughters.

But if all of those would suddenly die? Yeah then suddenly a family member nobody ever knew (existed) would legally get the throne. Would it be bs that “suddenly” another family member/line existed even if we never heard of it before?

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