Many races fell prey to manipulation of the Legion. Velen acknowledged already that the Orcs were also victims of his brother. So they don’t hold onto that grudge.
Because unlike us, Velen doesn’t have warcraft wiki open.
All he knows is the demons were at fault for Orcish behaviour.
We know better, the orcs started murdering and enslaving draenei before they were corrupted.
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because Kil’Jaeden manipulated them. Stick your race guilt to your butt no one in the story but alliance fanboys hold it against them.
KJ maybe “manipulated” one orc. (is it manipulation if you say the draenei are to blame, and that one person without verificating proclaimed it to thousands of people).
That orc went “Yo, draenei are to blame”
The entire orcish race went “True, the draenei are to blame” and started bloodthirsty murdering (and enslaving) the entire draenei race.
So yes, it is race guilt because the entire race is guilty of those atrocities.
Inb4 “B… but Durotan” he is responsible for getting the entire town of Telmor (I think it was called) wiped out.
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So yeah, stop trying to shift the blame for atrocities like that onto anyone but the orcs, they went with it freely, without bieng forced, and enjoyed it.
There is no race guilt neither in real life nor fantasy. That is just the wet dream of alliance players who are angry Blizzard isn’t allowing them to delete the Horde from the game. Your supremacy complexes are laughable.
The Orcs did nothing wrong and deserve to live like any other race in the game.
The Draenei knew the demons were after them and didn’t even warn the people of the worlds the fled to and then got destroyed afterwards. There is no single blame. The Orcs were basically slaves by the time they drank the blood and Blizzard went with it. You alliance folks will never have the higher ground in any argument just because you have human and Draenei bias.
all your arguments are just confirmation that almost all blue fans are nothing but walking Garithos memes.
There is race guilt in World of Warcraft.
I don’t want the Horde to be destroyed and deleted from the game, who would the Alliance fight?
Besides, the New Horde is stronger and larger than the Grand Alliance.
Yes, thats bad and they certainly should’ve warned the locals about it, I admit.
But you can’t blame the scared, poor, traumatised refugees for getting slaughtered by the warmongering locals either, which is what you do when you say that.
Yes the Draenei made a mistake, that doesn’t excuse the genocide the orcs commited on them.
I don’t actually like Garithos, and I am glad his “New Alliance” wasn’t part of the Alliance of Lordaeron or the Grand Alliance.
Also, the orcs and the draenei started fighting 99 years before the First War, with the orcs taking prisoners and “having children” with draenei women.
Now, I note that not all of them joined in, but later on? Every single orcish clan joined in on the slaughter.
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There isn’t. Blizzard stopped holding this against them years ago. You are the last person I know still trying to frame the Orcs as monster.
Only after the Troll Wars were the major capitals of the would be human kingdoms constructed, Strom was the seat of the Arathi Empire built on Thoradin’s orders before they had contacts with the elves.
They were not cavemen anymore than the people of the early Medieval period. Just look at these Arathi soldiers from the Troll Wars.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/images/1/17/Troll_Wars_magi.jpg
If you want to draw any historical comparison, they’re armoured akin to the soldiers of Charlemagne, not cavemen. Not even the vrykul, the majority of whom had been sleeping for over ten thousand years by the time of WotLK, were cavemen.
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There is.
That’s why all THalassian elves are blamed for the war against the Amani Trolls.
Why all humans are blamed for the Internment Camps, Garithos, the Purge of Dalaran, the war against trolls, and the invasion of the Barrens.
Why all night elves are blamed (and genocided) for witholding their forests from the orcs.
Somehow race guilt is a thing for Alliance races, but the Horde gets away with it (except for the blood elves).
No one ever blames all humans from anything. Allaince players have lots of double standards and make all the excuses to dunk on Horde races while defending Arthas and Scarlet Scrusade like no tomorrow.
Arthas is framed by the story as being objectively wrong for the Culling and universally hated by everyone, so no. Also, shifting the focus to Alliance players is moving the goal post where previously it was Blizzard not showing any race guilt in the story, per your own words. The story rightfully shows and says the internment camps were bad, that Garithos was bad - chiefly by the Alliance itself, and the Purge of Dalaran was bad. The trolls started the war, though, and the invasion of the Barrens never existed.
Also, why are you mentioning the Scarlet Crusade? They aren’t Alliance, and, you know.
All they did they did because they fell prey to the manipulation of the Legion.
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Yet, Lor’themar broke of talks of rejoining the Alliance because he blamed Varian (a unrelated human) for what the humans in (neutral) Dalaran did.
Yet the Forsaken blame the humans for what Garithos did.
Yet the blood elves blame the dwarves for what one dwarf ambassador did.
Yet the orcs blame the humans for the Internment Camps.
Yet the trolls blame the humans, night elves, gnomes, and dwarves for what they did to trollkind.
Yet the Zandalari blame humanity for what the Kul Tirisians did.
See how it goes?
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By his logic the enemies of the Scarlets are to blame for that. Lol
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By the same logic Arthas also doesn’t count since he too was manipulated by the Legion.
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The Orcs did nothing wrong. Arthas actually had a free will before becoming undead. The Orcs were directly bound to Mannoroth due to the blood pact.
You’re right. But the orcs didn’t drink Mannoroth’s blood until just before their attack on Shattrath City, which was the last draenei settlement left standing on Draenor - meaning the orcs committed the genocide of the draenei entirely out of their own free will, and quite a number of orcs did not drink his blood and partook in the slaughter all the same.
And Mannoroth’s control over the orc is not absolute, based on what we see his control is only absolute if he’s near or around the orcs who drunk his blood given that his hold over them wouldn’t break until his death during the Third War, but for the duration of the Second War and all the years inbetween these wars the orcs acted directly against the Legion.
So if the orcs did nothing wrong then Arthas too did nothing wrong as he was manipulated in a much worse way by the Legion than the orcs were.
I just want the alliance lose because we need to make it good for the damage Blizzard did to the Horde in BFA. Some justice would be nice.
But according to your logic no justice is needed because the Horde did nothing wrong in BfA, they were being manipulated by Sylvanas and the Jailer.
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All I ever wanted was that the alliance lose almost all their major lore characters just like the Horde did.