When will the alliance finally lose?

like, here is an exmaple which visualize it more what i mean:

Urkaine: hey Nato, can i join you to have protection aginst aggresiv Countrys with my limited ressources and population , while also sufferd intern trouble?
Nato: sure bro, we protect you!
Urkaine Joins Nato
Nato: anywas, time for war, lets kick russia demoslish then for ressoucres and lebensraum!
Urkain: wait, hol on, wtf, what are you doing!?
Nato: start a war because reasons…
Urkaine: dafuq, i dint ask to join to immedetly participate in a war nobody ask me (and my peole). I join to have a proetction not to be on the side of the aggressors in a deffensive alliance!

This analogy shoud basicly illustarte what i meant, repalce Urkaine with Blodevles and Nato with the Horde.

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This ultimately had nothing to do with the blood elves joining the Horde. By the time all of this happened the blood elves had already been negotiating with the Horde by proxy of the Forsaken since Vanilla. Sylvanas had already spent an entire year lobbying Thrall into accepting the blood elves into the Horde by the time her necklace was returned.

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You are making again weirdly confusing arguments here that make 0 sense

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But… you’re forgetting the parts where despite that, they did resist? Blood Elves, I mean. I don’t touch real life affairs because that’s another barrel of fish.

It’s not like they stayed with Garrosh forever despite being beaten down and used as fodder. Nor did they also stay with Sylvannas. It’s disingenuous to ignore the parts where they did NOT follow their aggressors and instead chose to stand against tyrants.

As you have offered an illustrative point, the case you’re making is similar to if no one bothered to understand Garithos and why he, no matter that the Alliance had nothing to do with him, was still a possibility of why the Blood Elves were hesitant.

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So… like they forgot how the Alliance helped them against the Amani twice, and against the orcs burning down their forests and having fought side-by-side with for thousands of years against the trolls, demons and orcs.

Right? Not at all.

But losing alot if your plans get real? Yes, because then the Alliance would just have the Azuremyst Isles in Kalimdor, and southern Eastern Kingdoms and the rest would be Horde territory (and even then you’d whine about it not bieng equal cuz Alliance bad).

Yeah, Horde got it way worse, but both got a steaming pile of :cow: :poop: , Alliance one was just smaller!

Remember, we met “Alliance High Command” (it was 5 humans).

Sylvanas blackmailed 'em, do what she wants or she’d pull back support.

Anyway, my gripe with the blood elves is that one, maybe two, acts by a human and the night elves are entirelly unforgivable for eternity, but the Horde blackmailing them (Sylvanas), using them as meatshields (Garrosh), or disposable cannon fodder (Garrosh and Sylvanas), and then raising them to fight again (Sylvanas) is somehow forgivable (and then we outright ignore the history of warfare between elves/humans vs trolls/orcs).

Just seems weird to me, y’know?

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He really wasn’t. The overwhelming majority of the blood elves wouldn’t even have known what Garithos did because those who were affected were overwhelmingly those blood elves who went to Outland and, at best, wouldn’t return until the end of TBC, by which point the blood elves were already Horde, or followed Kael’thas all the way to Quel’Danas.

The Alliance has in-universe blamed him more for driving the blood elves away from the Alliance than any blood elf ever have done.

I mean, in the grand scheme of things, if you add all the times humans and elves fought together you wouldn’t even get a century. They were always isolationistic unless they needed the help of humanity, and I mean isolationistic to the point of three human generations having passed since a high elf was last seen in Lordaeron before the Second War.

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Ah, that’s how it turned out. I’ll concede to lacking that specific bit, then! Still, damage happened and it’s really nice that it was actually the Alliance that stated their displeasure in that regard.

Honestly, yeah. I gave the Alliance a try in SL after a stint of boredom to check out how it was in BFA and… oh boy.

Y’all had a nice (awful, AWFUL) time having to contend with content not really… stretching itself to its maximum potential.

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The alliance has too much land.

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Horde literally posses the northern part of EK, most of Kalimdor, and the entirety of the Broken Isles, Zandalar, and will probably own large parts of Undermine.

What more do you want???

Lol No that’s not true. Sems I need to make a list yet again to get the truth across.

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Just let the night elves rebuild darkshore and teldrassil and maybe even hyjal. so horde can keep undercity and silvermoon

He knows the alliance has still more land due to the stuff owned by Stormwind. What alliance folks hate the most is equality cuz it would shatter their self identity of owning the world as top faction.

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Ow nice even more Horde imposter syndrome by Erevien, now about owning land, shees you almost sound like the new Communist who wants to distribute everything equally gosh.

Westfall, Elwynn and Redridge.

STV is Horde land, Darkshire is tenous at best what with all the monsters.

The Forsaken have Silverpine, Tirisfal, Hillsbrad and WPL.

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Horde lands:

Mulgore
Durotar
Northern Barrens
Azshara
Silverpine
Tirisfal
Eversong
Ghostlands

alliance stuff:

Elwynn
Westfall
Duskwood
Redridge
Wetlands
Dun Morogh
Darkshore
Loch Modan
Azuremyst Isle
Bloodmyst Isle
Bel Ameth
Gilneas

WOW is the game with thr LEAST amount of equality I have ever seen in any MMO. And no Southern Barrens and Hillsbrad are neutral not Horde.

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Has a Horde fort.

Is nominally Alliance, but the Horde is the factual owner as they have a permanent presence there.

Alliance only patrols there.

Is neutral.

Also, you forgot Hillsbrad en WPL for the Horde.

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https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Bel%27ameth

We know you lying.

There we go, hello mister communist, haha you got so much in common with your favourite character Gazlowe, who you call a communist. :joy: You two will be great friends.

Why can I go there as a Horde then without the guards slaughtering me?

Don’t mind Erevien, he has some unresolved issues and comes back daily to be the master of his imposter syndrome

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