As someone WHO will end this season with 13 chars with KSM its really really sad to see m+ instant Die when DF is released just because ion is obsessed with raiding being only endgame activity .
Well Ion you succeded. World content is dead ,m+ will be pointless if you are not top 1 percent.
There is really no reason to Play DF.
Bye then i guess
Considering you’ve been saying the game is dead for the last 12 months I am surprised you’re still here.
Please transfer your assets to me for safekeeping during your absence, thank you.
And toxic raiders rejoice - they are celebrating that they just destoryed game for milions of players.
WoW does not even have 1m players so I’m not sure which dark area you are pulling those “millions of M+ players” out of.
Please just quit the game already and don’t even think about coming back. Please just do it already man…? We all know that you won’t. We all know that you will continue to log on every single day because WoW is literally your life. So why even make this post? Why do you waste our time with this garbage if you’re gonna play WoW whether there is M+ or not? People like you would play WoW even if there were no updates for 50 years. Just leave please man.
Tldr someone over exaggerating on changes that are overall better for the gamemode m+.
What world are you living in to be this inflated on the overall good M+ changes alongside open world. Blizzard added open world pvp sets that are very good with a 120k shield once you get stunned on a timer that I cant recall with ways to get this gear pretty casually and at a good pacing if you’d ask me.
M+ gear is just getting buffed outright for people who push “high keys” aka all 20s which is a bigger setup then before but still is achievable by average joes 100%. It does hurt people who just do 15s but overall allowing their to be a reason for actual pushing outside of 15s where you can have 15-30 deaths in alot of them and still time is a good thing. Since the majority of the player base gets KSM then heads out now there is a reason to push higher. Only good/negative change is constant dungeon rotation which means you cant get familiar with dungeons like you could in previous seasons from them always changing
This is just blantly wrong, MMO or seasonal games have massive player base drop off during the dry and bland times when waiting for new content so its perfectly expected to see less people playing the game no need to randomly berate and belittle someone for being passionate about a core pillar of the game and wanting to make sure it isnt ruined with changes which is not in this case. If anything if you have nothing to say but be toxic you should quit tbh your problems with this game shouldnt rub off on everyone
I cannot understand how you came to your conclusion.
It’s ok for raiders to be afraid that their guild is going to “force” them to clear 8 20s for their weeklies (which i highly doubt many guilds will force after the backlash).
But for m+ runners this is an extremely good change. As far as they said, KSM will not increase, so you just have upsides if you wanna just play m+.
its actually very likely that they will be now foring players to push +20s instead just do +15s for GV
and so many people will hate it .still they have no other choice.
Ooh jezus you are something hahahaha
What is there with 20s ? Did i miss anything ? Or is this about 18s having max reward ?
newest max is +20
feel free to look at WoWhead
Interesting, ty for info .
Curious if there will be any reward at 25s now , portals or something. Or they sticking with 20s
I am in a cutting edge guild, and there is 0% chance for them to force us to do 20s in the new xpac.
Until now people you were expected to do 15s cause they were a walk in the park, and even if you did not have the experience. Worst case scenario if a guild expected you to do 15s, if you asked for help they would boost you in order to help.
Next expansion 20s will be as difficult 23-24s are now, there is almost no chance for guilds to be able to boost people that high, and I find it HIGHLY unlikely that any guild (that is not pushing for ranks) to force players to do 20s.
where do you get that data?
Do you play the Beta?
Because as I hear, M+ currently on Beta is significantly easier than on live.
You might be right, the numbers that I got are from what blizzard shared.
They said that in DF, difficulty after +10, will scale by 10% every level instead of the current +8, which translates to a 2-3 levels difference when you reach +20.
That being said, you are correct that this also depends on class tuning.
If you have 13 characters ksm then the changes are a good thing. Means m+ is far too easy as is.
Why are you spreading disinformation?
I’ve done m+ on the beta. It’s significantly harder. +15 is harder than a +20 on live even.
I’m also watching the world rank 1 mage on twitch, along with rank 1 priest healer etc. and they’re getting absolutely destroyed in 15s, so no wonder that we were getting destroyed.
Sorry if that sound like misinformation to you.
I’m on a discord with beta players and they tell me that especially with Tier sets on beta M+ is significantly easier.