Bruh, for real man? You can’t take a real life based example as just an example?
You really have to see at every corner some political agenda in a comment?
The Alliance is the biggest military alliance on Azeroth (leaving the Horde aside).
NATO is the biggest military alliance on Eearth.
What is so hard to misread the parallels?
I am literally someone who puts Putin on the same level as Hitler, who ruined MY COUNTRY back in the last century.
If you think I am in any way a fan of Russias Government, then you are truly a lost cause to argue with.
Jesus, how can someone be so ignorant.
Fine… lets just draw the line here then hera? 
I dont wanna fight you.
Believe it or not… I hate ending up in conflicts with forumers and wow players.
Sure. I’m not the one who started it anyways.
Have a great weekend. 
To me both are sides of the same coin.
Though in BfA for example Alliance are much more bad guys than Horde:
- The Alliance’s assault on Undercity.
- Jaina’s hatred for Horde during the Princess Talanji and Zul Stormwind prison break.
- The Alliance’s naval pursuit for Princess Talanji and Zul right after breaking them out of prison.
- The Alliance’s assault on Dazar’alor, despite that Horde did not do anything against them.
Summarized, an attack always leaves the defenders as the victims. Never as the perpetrators.
To be honest humans of stormwind and the alliance in general look more like some shady criminals, I dunno what nobility these humans have left, they always can find a cause to start a war with horde or do some shady stuff like burning Taurajo. Alliance was always racist towards the orcs and the horde, and they were ready to do all evil towards the horde.
I really wish to be honest, if blizz writers actually could write normal story about alliance being normal good guys and not imperialistic organisation which doesn’t want to recognize their bad actions. Or on the other hand, maybe let the horde just destroy alliance in one expansion and get rid of the high king and try to reform the remains in something morally great.
If talking about bfa, they probably were avenging teldrassil burning by attacking Undercity. The further events were maybe too much from alliance side. Alliance probably just felt the bloodthirst and wanted actually “dismantle” horde as Varian once said in the end of SOO in MoP
Oh, if you ask me there isn’t enough racism and general hate between the fictional races in WoW in general to make the races feel natural.
They feel not as organic as they could unlike in the Warhammer Fantasy Universe, where basically every race hates the other. Or Elder Scrolls, where races also generalize and hate each other.
Human-written, fictional races behaving like IRL humans and slandering/hating each other when given a reason? PrEpOsTeRoUs!
Seems like the Horde took big advantage of Vulpera and used them as expendable support units.
Alliance side is morally better. Talking like a person who played horde all the time.
- In Cataclysm, Garrosh did crimes and we, players, had to participate. Bad.
- We betrayed Garrosh. Bad.
- Sylvanas did crimes and we had to participate. Bad.
- We betrayed Sylvanas. Bad.
You could choose every side but plot continues to force your character to be bad person. You can’t be loyal to your warlord. You can’t be true to your ideals.
In the end, Horde lost the war. So Horde basically full of broken creatures and that’s about it.
While one could found few occasions of morally questionable things in the Alliance history, I don’t remember player participating often. It just happened somewhere. Player didn’t have to betray, not once. I’m playing Alliance right now and it feels so much better.
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I am partly agree to this, but 2 and 4 are not bad imo, that was response to the leaders being outright evil, like in Garrosh’s case, the Darkspear noticed that something isn’t right and the Garrosh was doing not good things and they wanted to protect their true ideals which Garrosh betrayed in his bloodthirst.
I don’t agree with you, in my book betrayal is bad. You made an oath, you have to keep it. You might want to kill yourself if keeping an oath is not acceptable, but that’s the only choice you’ve got. And my characters did precisely that, I was loyalist until game did not allow me to anymore and then I created new character and declared my old character committed seppuku.
PS talking about WoW world, of course, real world is not that easy.
That’s a very funny interpretation, it implies that there were no burning legion involved XD
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The destruction of Draenor wasn’t the Legion’s doing
Ner’zhul recklessly opened dimensional portals to find new worlds to conquer and with the turbulent energies and portals, Draenor was torn apart
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Horde are the bad guys. Historically and in the Lore.
Some attempts have been made to change the PR and image of the Horde. But they consistently prove that.
Blood Elves are like magic parasites that drove the Naaru called Muuru to his death then uses his corpse as part of their Sunwell.
Horde sacrifice Draenai children, Horde sacrifice human and other civilians as “fuel for the fel”, Horde killing every man woman and child they could find when Stormwind fell, Horde bombing Theramore which killed some High Elves living there. Horde genocided the Night Elves at Teldrassil, Horde invaded Gilneas and butchered their people despite them being neutral at the time. Horde killed their own soldiers at Lordaeron then forced them into Undeath. Horde graverobbers forced others into Undeath despite having that curse forced upon them by the Lich King. Horde bombs wiped out Druid trainees and Horde collateral damage at Stonetalon Mountains.
The Alliance holds our punches even when we are in positions of power. Put defeated Horde in internment camps at the expense of the Alliance taxpayers. Alliance execute overzealous Alliance like with camp Taurajo and more. Jaina Proudmoore changed her mind about drowning Orgrimmar in retaliation to the bombing of Theramore.
But most Horde players…If they are honest…Embrace the fact that: Horde are the bad guys.
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it was either draenor becomes fel world or as we know is destroyed before it, either way demons are at fault, ner’zhul wouldn’t be able to open rifts without scepter of sargeras, or, more like, there woud’ve been no draenei genocide, orcs going frenzy and draenor exploding without manipulations from demons
Would be interesting what would happen in the story afterwards, if Jaina actually decided to drown Orgrimmar instead of purging blood elves in Dalaran, would be funny.
first time hearing there were high elves in Theramore tbh, I might need to replay vanilla to know more about the history of that island city.
But overall if not count the events of pre vanilla (1 to 3 war), the horde did a lot of crimes still but also alliance were not good enough in my opinion. Alliance had time to completely break all relations with blood elves at start of TBC by sending spies, then sometime in Cataclysm Taurajo fell victim to some alliance zealot generals and was burnt to ashes, then we had infamous Jaina purging sunreavers (by that I mean literally killing) from Dalaran in MoP, and maybe BFA events related to princess Talanji were kinda overreaction from alliance side.
If the alliance actually hold their punches better and all those crimes would not happen then we would actually see alliance being “good” guys. But currently it seems to be that Alliance did not much better than the Horde
the twist of alliance vs horde war is it doesn’t matter in overall perspective of things, they can go on and on about warcriming each other and calling petty grudges from ten years ago, players can try to make sense of blizzard’s faction war writing, but ultimately it’s always a background and doesn’t matter when azeroth is truly endangered
It is more like if the person who did a crime being not in good psychotic shape, but still even though orcs were manipulated by demons of burning legion, that doesn’t mean they are not complicit in destroying their own world
it does matter, because legion isn’t some regular army, it’s cosmological force of pure destruction, many of the demons that you see in their ranks are ex mortals, and THEY WERE ALL converted to demons and forced to serve sargeras, before azeroth sargeras suffered literally zero losses, races far more advanced than orcs were forced to become part of legion, ultimately it was inevitable fate for orcs the moment legion generals noticed them and saw an opportunity.
yeah orcs to legion were literally like caveman, primitive and the legion spinelessly used that fact and pretty much took them under control