Which side is morally better?

Maybe Chris actually wanted to create a picture of good horde and bad alliance but failed to portrait alliance as proper villains and then afrasiaby writing kicked in and they started to villain batting horde. Something like tribal people vs Empire

chris is responsible for mop, no.
But he did mentioned in interview that alliance had too much “lawful good overdrive” in mop and wanted to fix it somehow, we don’t know how because he left in the middle of legion.
Don’t know what he thinks about it now, judging by TWW he isn’t keen on writing faction war anymore

you know, even a horde npc in the barrnes admitt it, that taurajo was a military target.

well…
the alliance and horde version differs, in the alliance one it were crimianls from teh stockad who were “relased” to fight and go rough after the attack and plunder…so the alliance player had to execut them, on the hord version , they are alliance soliders who plunder- so kill them, no futher question.
(and ironic taht the horde is outraged for plunderdin while tehy did ealier in the past)

at least ther WAs a corridor, you can the alliance for that one.
that the quilboars decide to take up the momentum…

TWW is probably kinda the time when it is too late fixing, but who knows. The faction war and overall factions were brought in poor state since legion and then sl and df was probably the last pin in the coffin for the faction conflict

That’s my stance on this quests and any other

Chris wasn’t completely absent, he was very much in touch with danuser and writing team overall (they were working together for 30 years for elune’s sake), he was also a lore advisor before returning to creative director position. Moreso one of the central characters for tww - Thrall, is his self insert that he always does voice over for, it can’t be that he didn’t took big part in writing TWW from starters
High key dragonflight partly is his idea too

Uhh what did we do? Bite your ankles really hard? I am sorry but all i remember was that it was a world quest and no prior quests and explanation where pretty much added. Besides that the vulpera had taken on caravan missions for the horde.

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I don’t know too much about the lore as a whole, but to my understanding, there’s good and bad in both sides. To me the Alliance appears to be more like a kingdom trying to set and follow rules they believe to be good whereas the Horde is a group of races that faced injustice and had to become united to survive (except for the Undead, who use Horde as their tool to help with their schemes).

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You allied with the horde and therefore have to be exterminated. The evil despicable immoral horde :smiling_imp::joy:

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if alliance actually cared about their ideals then they were probably tolerant to the horde and all races it includes and the vulpera case for example would never happen, but seems to be alliance are maybe even more filthy than the horde as of recent because they want the entire world to follow their rules. And again they “pretending” to be good guys, horde was more straight in their actions and goals.
I understand they were holding grudge against orcs because of wc2, but it was in the past and that was completely different horde. Thrall horde is completely different, I don’t even remember thrall horde was interested in waging open wars or stuff like that, only remember some shady stuff forsaken did and that’s all, everything else is just conflict of interest in new territories like in wotlk and cold war state. Alliance should’ve actually move on from wc2 events and recognize new horde and only bolster defences and keep talks, and only if they got invasion or something then they can just try to repel the horde from their territories and it would be rightful, but not doing war crimes here and there and even starting the war like in bfa, where they killed Rastakhan at the end

In the southern parts of Vol’dun, the Ashvane Trading Company enslaved a number of vulpera and forced them to mine Azerite in the Redrock Mines. The vulpera Keerin tasked adventurers with liberating him and his fellow captives.[30][31]

The vulpera’s knowledge about mountain routes let the Zandalari Vol’dun expedition get back to Dazar’alor before most sethrak invaders.[32]

Tides of Vengeanceeditedit source

The Horde later hired vulpera caravans to help transport supplies for their war with the Alliance. During the Alliance’s assault on Vol’dun, the 7th Legion began incinerating the caravans in the hope of stopping the shipments and dissuading the fox people from doing any more jobs for the Horde.[33] Incensed by these attacks, Nisha asked Horde adventurers to defend her people and fight back against the Alliance invaders.[7]

Does this work I wonder. Or do i have to do allot of edit work now. I wonder what moltensage will say now. Maybe Wowpedia has too be rewritten… But the Alliance basically enslaved us first. then burned us alive later.

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This is such a hamfisted parallel lmao

I mean… The Ashvane trading company was still apart of the Alliance at the time… And from a vulpera perspective. Very much so. Even though Ashvane later betrayed the Alliance.

They still acted in the Alliance name. As far as any vulpera where concerned.

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The trading company betrayed kultiras tbf

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nah i just pointed out that it’s a clear parallel to irl trading companies going about islands and enslaving natives to mine valuable resources.
I’m just irritating molty mostly because one of his takes is that wow is completely apolitical and df brought politics upon this game

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The barrens was always unsafe. Horde and Quillboar hostilities have nothing to do with the Alliance. They were set free. So no longer our problem.

Fighting Alliance forces, Aiding Horde soldiers with supplies and other things. Nations and organisations are very different in peace and war times. In a full scale war…There are not many diplomats.

Vulpera made their choices.

More than this. Vulpera actively fought against Alliance soldiers. Even when Alliance were taking measures to treat Vulpera with kid gloves. Scare them off instead of wipe them out kind of thing.
Involving yourself in someone else war is not healthy.

“tolerating” the Horde only invites more problems.

It is still the same Horde.

Ashvane Trading Company sided with the Horde if you remember correctly. Attempted to sieze control of Boralus harbor and was more neutral than the other Kul Tiran houses.

Alliance players used one of the SI7 shaman’s totems to scare away the Vulpera. The task was not murder but drive them away.
Perspective is important.

Moltensage seems to have a lot of fans/anti fans following.
:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

The Alliance does not enslave. We are not the Horde.

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Your like the grand central station of Alliance propaganda aren’t you? :sweat_smile: No matter whats being said. No one can change your mind.

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Finally something we can agree on.
Horde will blame the Alliance for the Actions of High Exarch Yrel - Lady Priscilla Ashvane - Jaina Proudmoore’s alleged “purge of Dalaran” and more.
There can be some sensible Horde among you. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Yes but making sure the only means of escape for civilians in through a different enemy territory doesn’t seem at all questionable to you?

So wowpedia is wrong then? You didn’t incinerate our caravans? You used friendly totems and we’re all just tripping?

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