^ This is exactly WHY alliance lose AV all the time.
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I just need to read the title and i totally agree. I could also write a whole book here why the AV Map is broken. Everyone that denies that refuses to speak the truth or is simply stupid.
And thats the reason why i dont put afford in writing a whole book (like you did lol)
I just want to quote one guy from a US forum on a similar topic. He describes the BIGGEST imbalance in AV.
QUOTE: Dude Iāve played as much AV as anybody did in vanilla (leveled from 51 to 60 there in vanilla way back when (literally just killing wolves/rams for exp for days), and have played an uncountable number since AV dropped again).
I love AV to death. (And Iām a horde only player). All that being said:
The horde cave (and its distance from IB GY in particular) is currently the single biggest imbalance in AV by a huge stretch.
The reason is because the hordeās ability to rez at the cave and rush to defend IB GY when itās being capped makes it nearly impossible for an evenly matched alliance squad to effectively take IB GY. A group of 10-15 horde can take down a group of 25-30 alliance with a couple waves of respawn rushes from the cave.
Alliance must have overwhelming superiority in composition/player quality to overcome that issue; or basically be a premade (like one of those Incendius premades running around). Alliance needs to have a ton of Paladins/Hunters/Mages that are geared to effectively hold IB GY and you rarely see a pug alliance group thatās even close to capable of achieving that. Maybe 1 in 100 matches, alliance has a pug group up to that task.
It has to be changed at some point. Thatās the reason why the horde has this ā30 minute/5940 honor/cap SH GY+SF GY while protecting IB GY, then choke alliance at IWBā strategy.
Thatās why all the alliance rankers quit and youāre left with a heavily undergeared group of alts or rep grinders or botters there.
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I ll just write it again like every after 100ish postā¦
Dont queue it.
dont worry. this new update will kill av. it encourages turtling even more and repgrinders who are like 50% of the players in there cant afk their way to exalted anymore. av lasting 1h30min and barely people que because of AQ making hordes ques 2h+ and everyone will QQ
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Tbh, I donāt get why alliance queue for it anymore. You get better/equivalent ring/offhand in ZG and it kills your honor pr hour. To make it competitive with AB/WSG for honor, alliance would need instant queues with 15 min games of 3K a minimum.
In the current horde turtle meta of forcing every game to 30+ mins, alliance would need to earn 6 - 8K pr battle to make the BG even worth queuing for.
Some of your thoughts and observations are valid. But it is my perspective that with the fixes to the backdoor cliff tactic there will be a chokepoint at the Bridge since you most likely wonāt be able to get to Vandar without going by the bridge. SHGY Chokepoint can also be used as alliance to choke horde while the alliance runs past it . SFGY is a key strategic point for both factions as it bypasses or reinforces the SHGY Chokepoint for both factions. Now there is also a Chokepoint just past IBGY that if alliance get that can also choke the horde. And there you go some more valid Chokepoints where Hordes lose. TBH iād rather have this Chokepoint Meta where it can be 50/50 W//L then the one where alliance run straight to Drek and win in 7MinutesĀ±.
Can i get a tl dr?
No , when we lose our chance to get IBGY there is a big percentage of players that go slack , and a percentage of botters , thats why some people giveup to begin with . Because of these players its not worth to make it a 1 hour game and lose honor efficiency farming
People give up instantly, because honor per hour > winning.
Simple as thatā¦
Slow match = Alliance give up.
Because the fast way to win is to get ibgy and the reason its hard to get sometimes is because of horde cave spawn is near ibgy.
The other two ways to win is a 2hour long game and results with people de-ranking and people slack cause of that .
It has nothing to do with being a defeatist like how some say.
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But thatās exactly what it is.
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why not all alliance stop playing AV piss horde off 
go do some AB or WSG
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