Nothing else will come along he says.
Yet they’ve already added custom hand holding quests for the boost babies
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I mean he is the best paid forum troll after all.
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Yeah, i’ve been called worse.
It is simply what people do when they have no answer for my reasoning about why the boost is good.
thread is TL;DR and its also slightly dated so i’ll just add my opinion here, sorry for any repetition of earlier points made in advance.
No. you are incorrect. the 58 char boost is going to ruin the game on many levels, it has way more cons than pros, and that’s exactly why most people are against it.
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this is a way for blizzard to creak open the door for more changes, dipping their toes to test the temperature if you will, and once this is done, people like you will kick that door open full force and start asking for more retail-features (that was never in tbc) to be added all because of convenience… like dual spec, faction/race change to keep up with the meta, and perhaps even tokens at some point since you know, the economy is already ruined, so we might as well pour gas on the flames rather than try to stomp them out.
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it helps bots. the sheer efficiency of skipping 58 levels means they can farm more gold in a shorter amount of time, with less chance of being banned (as if that chance wasn’t already small enough).
when a bot acc gets banned, he has to start over from scratch, leveling his bot from 1-58. time in which there is a good chance he will be caught by players passing by and reporting him, and potentially getting him banned before he can do any damage to the economy.
if he can just high-tail it to lvl 58 the chance of him being spotted, reported and eventually banned are lower, and even if he is banned he simply won’t really care, because he can pretty much pick up exactly where he left off by simply making a new account and boosting another bot char to lvl 58 immediately. -
if you don’t have time to level, that’s a you-problem, not a game-problem. it doesn’t matter if you don’t like it or don’t have the time, its still a you-problem. ask yourself at this point whether the game is really something you even enjoy.
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first off, mage boosting is getting nerfed to the point where its impossible since AOE spells are being nerfed, but that aside, its still nowhere near the same as just swiping your credit card for a boost to 58. you used the word “strawman” in your previous point, yet use one of your own in the point you made that addresses mage boosts.
your drivel about “people not wanting others to enjoy the game” and “it doesn’t affect you in any way shape or form” is all bogus and deserves no address. all i can do is laugh at how stupid you are for repeating that sheep trend of thought when it has been explained a million times EXACTLY how it does indeed affect everyone else in the game.
the fact you use phrases like “You are not forced to waste weeks/months of time to level.” it really goes to show how much you don’t enjoy the game. you don’t waste your time leveling, that’s PART OF THE GAME dude. its called grinding, and ideally you should not be able to skip the grind in a game that revolves around grinding, because that kinda defeats the purpose.
“It put more money in the hands of Blizzard which they can then use to improve games.”
Haha Haha, i shall laugh twice. you’re pretty damn naive if you think any of the money blizzard make is going towards improving, maintaining or developing games.
Big Bobby got another 200 million bonus like 2 months ago while more blizzard employees were being laid off… i have honestly lost count on how many times this has happened now.
the fact you think blizzard have any integrity when it comes to moral decency is hilarious to say the least. i mean honestly, there’s a god damn library of facts that points to the opposite.
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but let me guess. you’re going to ignore literally every point i just made and just continue to tell everyone that “nobody has made any good arguments in favor of anti-boosting” like the other selfish players who peddle the idea that boosting is a net benefit for the game, right?
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I bet the kinds of people that approve of and buy boosts are overwhelmingly the kinds of people that aren’t serious about getting into Classic era.
“Classic is about the slower paced game of old, and the focus on the world and levelling.” That ain’t a controversial statement, and people that think they want to just skip all that really ain’t playing the right game.
… but then why would Blizzard care about that? They have you dollars for the boost.
No damage then if they get bored after a couple of months you say? Well, they’ll be gone, but the robots who get instantly into Outlands will destroy the economy far more at the crucial initial stages. Buying a boosted account is nothing compared to the profit they’ll make.
Also it IS the beginning of Retail style monitisation. You actually think this is as far as they’ll go? Really? Start small and build up over time, so people don’t notice until there are level 1 Taurens running around in blue yeti costumes.
So be it if all the Classic expansions are ruined, but you know, I strongly suspect it will infect even the Vanilla version soon enough. “Why can’t I buy a 60 on this version so I can get straight into raids.”
Maybe, but im not sure, you see. Those people who are not serious, why would they pay like maybe 60 bucks for the boost?
I can assure you alot of people who gonna use it are serious players with multiple max level chars already.
This is your opinion. I played in the original TBC i can tell you for me WoW was always about the endgame (max level content) for me leveling (altho smetimes fun) was more of a chore.
Maybe, but this is not the fault of the boost service. You need to adress this at the source. And that is that Blizzard, at least as far as we can judge, they seem to put little effort into fighting bots.
Only time will tell, but im sure they will not go to far.
Classic players are a different breed then retail players. If they make classic too much like retail nobody gonna play classic
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I can assure you alot of people who gonna use it are serious players with multiple max level chars already.
in that case it shouldn’t be in the game at all since the whole point of it (according to blizzard) was to implement it so that newbies can ‘play with their friends’ so thanks for making that point.
This is your opinion. I played in the original TBC i can tell you for me WoW was always about the endgame (max level content) for me leveling (altho smetimes fun) was more of a chore.
i happen to be an OG vanilla and tbc player myself, and here’s the thing; leveling is SUPPOSE to be a chore /gasp
if you can just enter the game and get right to the endgame with the swipe of a credit card its not really a good game, is it? imagine if in games like Crash Bandicoot you could just warp to N. Cortex, beat him (and beat the ‘endgame’) and actually convince yourself that it was an honest and deserved win. ridiculous.
Maybe, but this is not the fault of the boost service.
Objectively wrong.
You need to adress this at the source. And that is that Blizzard, at least as far as we can judge, they seem to put little effort into fighting bots.
indeed, its almost like blizzard has a monetary incentive for their (deliberate) lack of effort in this regard. apparently blizzard aren’t happy enough with the bot money they already earn, so they implement this boost to put that income on steroids.
Only time will tell, but im sure they will not go to far.
people said the same thing back in the day… whats up, i thought you were a vanilla/TBC OG? how can you not be aware of this? history is literally repeating itself in front of our eyes, and apparently despite your ability to see, you are still blind to it.
Classic players are a different breed then retail players. If they make classic too much like retail nobody gonna play classic
true. you’d think they were aware of this, but it wouldn’t be the first time blizzard shows how completely out of touch with their customer base they are.
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Many people who have short term interests and attention spans will buy boosts, of which there is certainly NO shortage in 2021. Plenty have enough disposable income to enable it also.
Some ‘serious’ players will buy the boost, but as I said later, I assure you a whole lot of them will find much less value in them. Why? Well, because there’s a reason why Classic was made and it ain’t because of endgame (because the raiding and endgame in general is FAR more complex, challenging and very much the focus of Retail).
That leads me into your second rebuttal. That isn’t opinion, as an opinion is if one likes that design road or not. Classic was made to fill a whole that Retail has lost over the years, and you tell me what major differences there are between the two? Again, these are design choices not opinions. Levelling was FAR more of a focus of the old game, and that’s a fact.
I’ve said this before but the bots using boosts will just make the situation worse than it is, and I just don’t see how putting in a service that really doesn’t belong there is acceptable. Why help illicit services along? Botting is impossible to eliminate but the answer to that isn’t enabling them further.
You don’t think it’s obvious this is just the start? Well just read the forums. Imagine how even the whiff of a boost would go down back when Classic first launched. Now look, there are a worrying amount of people receptive and even promoting the idea-- the erosion of the original and clear design intent with Classic is well underway.
You think a company cares about the integrity of the game when there is big moneys to be made? How do you think Retail got to how it is now? Yes, it’s how the game is now-- that’s fine I simply don’t play it-- but the point is that’s why Retail exists and that’s (should be) why Classic exists also. They serve different tastes.
Indeed. TBC failed so much as an expansion didn’t it… all because ‘newbies’ couldn’t ‘play with their friends’.
Well actually they could, they can level from 1 to 60 as the game was designed to be played, and how everyone did back when it launched. They can join guilds, and there were plenty of friendly guilds with people levelling up - hmm… new races?
“I couldn’t be bothered to level up in an RPG.” It really is a perfect statement to emphasise everything that is wrong with media in 2021.
Well, I find firing guns all day boring in games, but you don’t see me going to the Call of Duty forums and complaining about this 'forced game design on me."
What people singularly fail to realise is that having a barrier, or better worded, EFFORT required, to get a new character is actually intentional. I mean if people go down the path of 'It’s boring that’s why." or “I’ve done it before.” then exactly what is there in an MMORPG that people shouldn’t be able to pay big moneys to skip?
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Bla bla bla… we get there eventually as classic wont stop at wotlk… to expect classic will turn into retail over night is delusional. How many years did it take for retail? And the store is still far from bad compared to other mmos.
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Is this a single-player game?
Ever heard of this thing called server community or economy? How about game design precedents? Once the boost is in then more WILL follow-- that’s completely obvious at this point by, well people like you. Just look how receptive people are now to this, and imagine if this was a couple of years ago.
That’s the kind of statement companies say isn’t it? “It’s just an option.” Well, I think you’ll find the entirely transformed Retail game is ENTIRELY the way it is now because of endless services “That are just an option.”
Wasn’t there are reason for making Classic WoW? I mean as we already have Retail WoW?
well, lets see… vanilla + TBC… about 3-4 years lifespan right? alright, and it all started in WOTLK but lets be generous to my point here, and say it started by the end of WOTLK, and by the beginning of cataclysm the ruining of the game was already in motion, and that by MOP/WOD it was officially ruined (they couldn’t even be bothered to even finish WOD when it was released, an entire zone was inaccessible for literally the entire game’s lifespan)
so from 2014 - 2021… 7 years… 7 years is how long it took to turn a game from a masterpiece into literal trash.
No-one says it will be overnight.
However, look at the fabulous progress Blizzard have made in eroding Classic pillars already. It’ll take them less time then even they predicted it seems… people just love the path of least resistance.
It usually takes years-- but that ain’t that long and I don’t want Classic to live on such borrowed time.
I mean why do you think there’s just one idiotic purchasable costume in the store? Because they are waiting to let it sink and normalise. That’s how these things work.
Oh and those other MMOs with hideous stores don’t have subs AND full priced expansions. It is sick if you consider WoW has ALL THREE.
I started WoW in early-ish TBC. I leveled my first, and for a long time my only, character before the XP and group quest changes went live. Also, as I didn’t play optimally (not to mention I spent a lot of time stealthed with track humanoids active to avoid ganks 
), so it took me some months to get to 70. By that time, most people were already quite well geared and raiding at a high level, or were decked out in arena gear.
Even so, I never felt like I couldn’t catch up. There were always lower levels or alts doing instances, and it was made clear to me in my guild that if I wanted to raid, I was welcome to, and that they would help me catch up. I found out that I didn’t enjoy large group content, and so I spent my time in BGs and sometimes 5-mans, farming herbs, hunting gankers and boosting lowbie guildies/alts in instances (obviously for free and to help them out).
I wrote all this to say that my not “raiding with my friends” was by choice, and that even though I was late to the party I never felt left out. So what about Classic?
My guild raids actively. And they are going through a very welcome resurgence after some difficult months. They never stopped helping people catch up, and they told me more than once that if I ever want to raid, they will be there for me.
This may just me lucking out with a helpful and friendly guild of course! But I doubt that I’m alone.
Would the 58 boost help newer people play with their friends? Sure it would. But even if it did not exist, I know that there will always be a lot of people that will be happy to help late comers catch up and will welcome them into their raids once they’re ready to go.
for the millionth time, it doesn’t matter if a few legit players get a 58 boost and get some trash greens, a 60% speed mount and 20 gold.
its the god damn fact that it encourages bots is the issue.
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Aaah yes because slippery slopes don’t in fact exist in reality. Based on nothing but prior precedents and history? Based on the trust of Activision and Blizzard? Based on the non-evidence of the change in stance on such things and receptiveness in the forums?
One could rather easily point the finger of being delusional at your side of the fence matey.
Indeed. People really can’t put two and two together and see how the game is now designed for the cyclical “Buy expansion, get loads of moneys, then see subs tank until next big patch or expansion.” and that doesn’t effect the quality of content?
Moving a lot of the prestige items to the store doesn’t effect quality? Knowing that people will pay to skip content doesn’t? Levelling is dreadful in Retail and it will NEVER be looked at again (halving the levels needed is not new content but rather removing it) so that will rot.
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inhales deeply
BRUH.
we dont even know yet how much the boost will cost…it might very well be not worth for boots to buy it
If its too expensive blizzard will scare away their so called ‘target audience’ which are supposedly the newbies who skipped classic and just want to play tbc ‘with their friends’.
do u think if they remove the boosts that u wont see them in tbc?
no of course they will still be there, mainly due to blizzards deliberate inactivity in the realm of maintaining their games god damn integrity and actually employing some gamemasters specifically to deal with that crap.
do u think that if the boost is removed the boots will not level up at a much higher speed than ur average player
The fact of the matter is that without the boost their bot character would spend at least a week grinding random mobs to make its way to level 60, and the fact that blizzard’s Warden AI would catch someone who is online 24/7 and target them for suspicion means it would take at least 2-3 weeks… time in which they can be found and reported by other players. with a 58 boost they skip that risk, they skip the hurdle, and they go right into the money-making phase, and believe me when i say; this will be a major problem.
using…ironically…dungeon boosts:)))…dont mix 2 separate things in the same argument because it makes no sense
yo m8 just because you have reading comprehension issues doesn’t mean what i am saying makes no sense.
boots are a completly different issue that blizzard needs to solve with the boost in game or not
What?
alright, so if the pricetag for a 58 boost was 120 euro, you think people would still flood in to ‘play with their friends’ ???