Why didn't we get Void elf shaman from the start?

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It is probably an oversight, but until 7.3 , the void users and the twilight cultists always involved the elements. Entropy is associated with the void, and the void is able to utilise the elements well. It’s connection to both the arcane and the elements is strong.

So it is surprising we never saw void elf Entropists as the shaman option for them.

Other Plausible Race Class Combination

I give the rest of these based on lore already in the game, and some that seem very plausible to have without any lore bending, but instead just a natural and exciting development.

Void Elf Paladins:
Void knights - the void is like the light, if you can use it for priests, you shoudl be able to have a paladin version of it to.

Void infused melee are just one of the many applications of the void that void elves should be mastering. Afterall, they are studying the void to apply it to many areas right and enhance right? The arcane was the first, hence mages, and hunters too from Alleria, we see Riftblades warriors and rogues - shaman auto makes sense, so Paladins is a natural progression

Void Elf Druids:
If you can have druids of the flame, you can have druids of the void. The Druids need help dealing with the nightmare, and the extra knowledge of the void elves might just be the thing to take their fight one step further.

It also helps that

  1. Void elves are on the alliance so can communicate with night elven druids who are the race most familiar with the dream

  2. As elves, there is a natural love for nature anyway, so it is highly likely some void elves are botanists and nature studies keen in extending both their knowledge of nature and the void in nature

  3. There is a very pressing need for for defending the dream against the void, not to mention could they possibly be the last key in helping Azeroth learn how to handle the void without being corrupted - what an awesome storyline that would be

  4. Last but certainly not least, can you imagine how cool void druid forms would be?

  5. Also consiering druidism in wow wwas an elven thing, somehow it’s not right that there are more horde races, and non-elven ones that can become druids, it’s kinda drifted from it’s elven heritage. This will help correct.

Other Race/Class Combos

  1. Night Elf Paladins :- Delas Moonfang wasn’t even the first, a paladin of Elune, in classic we saw a night elf training with the argent dawn.
    Night warrior is a faith warrior - like the void night it really is in that sense a warrior that uses void and arcane instead of light , and glaives instead of maces and swords.

  2. Nightborne Druid
    Not sure why this didn’t happen, except perhaps it woudl have if the nightborne had gone alliance as originally they seemed poised to, but when blizzard changed their mind, they had already given highmountain tauren, and not to give even more druids probably is why

Nightborne are now sustained by the druid solution of the balance between arcane and nature, they are aided by Farodin a Valewalker druid , druid refugees from Val’sharah during 7.0, now returned to Suramar. Nightborne as pre-sundering night elves also show that they had a lot more nature love and magic usage as we saw in their gardens, in particular the Nighthold ones.

Druidism now, with Farodin and their natural disposition seems only a natural step.

  1. Elven Conjuring Elementalists
    Elven shaman as tribal chieftans and wise ones begging or battering elementals for magical power? Does not fit at all. Big no. However, Elves as powerful arcane users using their arcane power to create the elements they use (fire, frost, water and earth) as specialist of the mage of profession focused on elements, having recently being friendly with shaman and adopting their reverence for elementals as life forms where previously they use to enslave them. Now these I can understand having access to teh shaman class, and using arcane focuses in place of totems.

  2. Draenei Warlocks as Eredar Illidari
    I don’t know if we’d ever get playable Eredar as an allied race, however, just like we had demon hunters as Illidari elves, we could get Draenei warlocks as Eredar warlocks - which means it’s not actually Draenei you are playing as Draenei warlocks but Eredar. Just like it’s not actually Darnassian night elves you are playing as Demon Hunter night elves, but Illidari part demon night elves.

  3. Night elf Warlocks as Illidari Warlocks.
    Just like above, the night elf warlock uses the Illidari night elf models only, they also start in the DH starting experience, learning destruction spells instead of havoc abilities, and the appropriate voice over adjusted.

Their default will be green fire off course, but they can glyph normal fire later.

  1. Highmountain Warlocks as Fel-totem Warlocks
    Only specific fel totem skins would be available on the warlock class here, just like it is for the other two

Combinations That Should Not Happen:

  • Humans: Shouldn’t be Demon Hunters. Quite fine with humans being Tidesages though through Kul’tiran and Drust druids - because it has already happened.
  • Dwarves: No connection to druidism or demon hunters
  • Gnomes: No druid, shaman or DH connection. However, they should be able to be Palas.
  • Worgen: No DH connection
  • Pandaren - no to warlock and DH. Although you could potentially give alliance pandaren druid and horde pandaren warlocks -
  • Void elf - no to DH, void’s their thing, not fel
  • Lightforged: No to Warlock, druid and DH
  • Dark Iron: N to druid and DH
  • Kul’tiran: No to DH
  • Mechagnome: no to pala, druid, shaman, DH

Horde

  • Orc - no to druid
  • Undead: No to druid and DH [ they could be shaman, more the forcing type t- but not necesarrily.
  • Tauren: No to mage, rogue and DH [Magatha would use demons, so warlocks is avail]
  • Troll: no to DH
  • Goblin: No to druid, monk and DH - Goblins will not go Zen
  • Nightborne: No to DH
  • Highmountain: No to mage, rogue, DH [Fel totem warlock option]
  • Zandalari - no to Demon hunters
  • Vulpera: No to DH and druid

Palas have two choices. Either they become a class only accessible if you have a priest order that excels or focuses on Holy magic, or you make it such that anyone who has a faith institution for preisthood and warriors of that faith by default can have Palas as their equivalent “faith warriors”.

Night elves, Blood elves, - have enough to have access to every class. So to Mag’har and Draenei but only if a form of Mag’har orc and draenei druidism could come from some Botanni interaction.

Making Classes Stand out for Each Race:

One race is to set up the heritage armor, extending it to heritage weapons and spells that can bring huge racial flavour to t a class you play regardless. check out this article here.

In addition, the occasional class skin for famous elite units could go a long way

e.g. Blood Elf Hunters having a Farstrider skin.
night elf and Nightborne priests having a Moon Priestess skin on the class

Trolls having a Witch Doctor skin for shaman

Orcs and Tauren a FArseer skin for shaman

More can come down the line like Shadowhunter,s Moonguard, Star Augur, Botanist etc.

Using Class Skins to Create Plausible Versions for Missing Class Comibnations

The class skin option above can be used to address some of those class combos that do not fit naturally.
I already described this for the Elven shaman… let’s look at ways a class skin can be adopted to provide the playstyle of a missing class in races that have shortages.

I don’t mean that very calss should have access to all classes, but if a playstyle can be adopted s tuitably, that can be good. Yet iI think it is nice that some things just don’t happen, like Tauren and Draenei just can’t stealth.

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If you wanna play a shaman, you gotta be uggo, thems the rules.

At least you get the goat as a choice.

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Ahem, shaman is accessible for Vulpera you know.

And dwarves are cool. I personally do not agree of barring druids away from them, since the Wildhammer clan can already be shamans, and a connection to their griffons.

The only elven combinations I can see working are night elf paladins. Nothing else would really fit either Night Elves or Blood Elves. They are more about taking what they want. Not to mention that neither Nightborne nor Blood Elves have connection to the Emerald Dream. If they would have access to druids it has to come from alternative methods like how they solved it with Kul’tirans.

I wouldn’t mind the DH class being expanded to other races, but not for shaman and druid to be accessible to other elves. It just does not fit them, just like stealth does not suit tauren and draenei.

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Nightborne are literally saved and sustained by a druidic half nature /half arcane tree bringing balnace the heart of elven druidism, tuaght by Farodin and val’sharah refugee druids now home in SUramar - Nightborne druids make sense.

FOr void elf druids, it is easy to see void elves and ngithe lven lovers of nature ahng ehads together to beat the nightmare, and training void druids.

As for shamanism, no, they can’t be shaman, but they can have mages who do everything shaman can do, and who are influenced by the earthern ring to work with and respect the elemntals they summon rather than bind them forcibly - thorugh this All elves can have an arcane based form of shamanism derived from their mage institution.

AS for the emerald dream, neither Gilneans, nor trolls nor tauren in fact had any connection until they were either taught by elves or reached out to by the Loa. Certainly the drust didn’t either originally

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Elves aren’t known for their shamanism.

That’s not what a paladin is.

Pretty sure the emerald dream isn’t very welcoming to the void. Druids of the flame were rogue druids.

You’d need Eredar joining the alliance first (story wise).

That’s not what Illidari are, Illidan trained demon hunters, not warlocks.

So the elements are ok but fel is a nono?

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Tauren had connection to the Emerald dream, since they were the first Cenarius approached before night elves (they were already using primitive druidistic magic, though it was night elves he taught actual druid magic.) It fits them, so I see no issue on that part.

The only for of druidism I recall from Nightborne from back from legion are the botanists, who use arcane magic to shape nature to their liking, same thing as what Blood Elves do. They do not serve nature, they use magic to alter it.

Shaman gain their power from a different method compared to mages, a method which again does not fit elves at all. Unless they changed it the elements reach out for the individuals, and they can request power from them in order to cast their spells. Elves aren’t like that, it is not in their nature.

Trolls gain their druidistic magic from the Loa, while I reckon Gilneans gain it due to the affliction they had which is night elven in origin.

We generally should not base class options on outliers, otherwise we’d already have tauren mages as well (since we have one in Blackrock Depths since classic called Pyromancer Loregrain.)

Night Elf paladins are a possibility, and I am all in giving them that option. Neither Druidism or Shamanism fits either Blood Elves (not in their nature), Void elves (the void taint disallows them to form connection with nature) or Nightborne (just like their blood elf brethren they do not serve nature, they bend it to their will.)

I would rather they expand on the class selection they have right now: Create unique, race based spells to highlight the differences between the different druidistic sects and paladin orders.

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Gilneas had harvest witches, which I guess is a primitive form of druidism. It might be a remnant from the tribal humans that used druidism and shamanism before they abandoned those in favor of the light and established their kingdoms.

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In my opinion the coolest shaman the alliance has access to is Kul’tiran.
Being able to to both thunderstorm someone and punch someone else and send them flying is too fun to miss.

Haymaker makes up for their homely look

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Sorry. Not to get hung up on the title of this thread… But the Elements propably hate the Void with the passion of a thousand burning suns. They would never Answer to a Void elf Shaman. Unless they where dark Shamans who would force the Elements to their will.

It’s also that a Void elf, Previously Blood elves and high elves have never had any connection or Shamans before to practice shamanism enough to even be Shamans

There is a huge difference between a Mage that conjures/creates Elemental like spells.
And a Shaman who answers and follows the Elements directly from the source, The Elements them self.

Void Elf druids as well meets the same wall. They draw from Nature and not the void.
A reason Void knights could work is because they are oppesite force of the light.
But Void is not the oppesite of the force of nature in the cosmo map. A void Elf druid would end up being a immitation of a Druid out of the Void. Nothing a Void elf druid would do would have anything of nature to draw from. Also that Blood elves and High elves never really practiced druidism enough to become a plausible Class in its own right.

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I swear this is just a “you can’t be DH for any of the fun races” post.

You don’t get more shaman if I don’t get more demon hunter, end of story.

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To clearify… Any Class that the Blood Elves/High elves could be prior to turning to the Void. We could propably add a Void oppesite to it. Like we already see in game. Minus Paladins and Demon hunters… But druids and Shamans? That they never had any connection to or practice to at from before? Might be stretching it just a wee bit.

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I say as much, remember

You should’ve read on, there are ways where some options are actually feasible, if the right approach based on lore is used. Elves can conure elemnts from the arcane, they don’t need elementals to do so, they can also summon elementals forcefully, they can do all things with elemnts that shaman can do. Difference is shaman rely on the elemntal to give them the power drawn from the plane, while elven mages simply generate it using hte arcane.

While current mages specialise in frost and fire, if you look at the night elves in the height of their arcane magical capability, they could move earth, water and air t oo quite effectively.

So the elven shamana won’t actually be shaman, but mages specialising in conjuration and elemnetal usage, effectively doing everything the shaman does. Now you would expect some liike the night elf mages and high elf ones would be considerate of the elemntals, treat them as living beings whole heartedly, but amongst nightborne and blood evles, youc ould get either, those who are respectful, and those who just don’t care.

The whole point is when they do class /race combos, they should do them well. Now the void in particular has close ties with handling elements, so Void Entropists able to do things with elementals via the void should have been something we could have gotten straight off the bat, while the rest of the elves come in later via their arcane mastery.

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why don’t you get to levl 60 before whining for more void elf stuff

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And it doesn’t ahve to be. Any more than the Tiedesage Kul’tiran shaman you play isn’t actually a shaman, nor is the Loa PAladin you play actually a paladin.

Yet it is a suitable enough adaptiation to use. Void knights make enough sense to me anyway.

And I’m pretty sure, mortals aren’t very welcoming to the void either, but here we are, the void is here and that’s why void elves are studying and using it, to defend against it.

this cooncept makes sense to extend to toher fields…it’s the whole point of why they ared oing waht they are doing - extending that to help nature with the void incursion of the dream to me actually makes enough sense and is intersting.

You don’t. THe Illidari are playable adn they have not joined the Alliance nor horde, nor have the Ebon blade, you play a member of the Illidari or Ebonblade when you pick that DK or DH, you just select them via the race screen.

the Eredar you will play is an Illidari Eredar here.

Warlocks utilise demons, so do Illidari, whiel they aren’t warlocks in the normal sense, what they do is very similar enough to use the Warlock class as a playstyle. And just like Blood knights, Tidesages, Zandalari paladins etc aren’t the normal versions of their class, so too will these be.

Because the void does control the elemnets, and so does the arcane. Where is the in-road for demon hunters? Thesee elves use the void for everything… but in all fairness they could be void users that use fel.

So demon hunters are possible.

Question then becomes, would any of the Illidari have also joined and be curious enough with the void to join the void elves? You need to be an illidari to be a demon hunter. So you would not have been able to be a void elf first who then trains to be a demon hunter. you’d be a demon hunter first who has now joined the Illidari.

If you can agree that is possible., then yes. for some reason I kinda felt it was either void was your thing or fel, but truth is demons use both, so why not void elves?

As Thalassians, it is possible they could be Illidari joining the ren’dorei

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Why don’t you level a void elf before you start trying to dictate things about and for void elves.

See, I can be just as dumb and ridiculous

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As long as there is a way it can make sense in a good way, I’ll be up for it.

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They forced and twisted them. They were called “dark shamans”. Such shamans would not be tolerated at all by regular shamans. Thrall would have to execute every single one of them that does that. The same applies to all other Shamans. They would slaughter them.

They have no “connection” to the elements other than forcing them to obey their will.

The Dark Shamans of SoO are a prime testament to that. In their moment of death they A: realized what they had actually done and B: The Elements rejected/abandonded them because of what they did.

Garrosh also confirms their actions during his interaction with Thrall. If Ragnaros would have been alive at that point i wouldnt be surprised if he would have entered Orgrimmar himself and slaughtered those “shamans” for it and taken their place as the boss encounter.

And the Twilight cultists that used the Elements only could do so because they were allied with Deathwing/N’Zoth. Which were allied with Ragnaros and Al’Akir. Both Neptulons water elementals and Therazanes earth elementals refused them and had to be forced.

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feeling attacked kid?
also no need to prove your own stupidity it’s on clear display when you open your mouth

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But then most void users are corrupted and the void is corrupt, yet the void elves are showing that there is more to it than that by neither being corrupt and able to emply htis magic usfully.

THe pplicatons can be positive regarding the elemnts… the fact is they use the void positively and for good, and it can be used to affect the elemnts, so shamanism should be accessible to them.

ARcane users can do similar, it is their choice whether they choose to corporate or force the elemnts. the difference between arcane/void users and shaman is that the magic users, have a choice to force or corporate, shaman have to corporate becaue their magic comes from the elementals they use unlike the mages and void users.

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No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No.

Give up on the Void Elf thing.

It makes no sense at all to give them Shamans.

If you want to be a Paladin Elf play Blood Elf and you will look EXACTLY the same.

I honestly detest these threads. It’s just a load of people who care more about dressing up barbie dolls than having a well thought out functioning game.

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