Why does Alliance dominate EU War Mode and still get bonus rewards?

PVP War Mode and World PvP
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Realms have nothing to do with it (apart from RP ones).

Pure sharding.

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An even simpler idea would be to remove any and all rewards from warmode so only the people who really want to do wpvp are left, this way you will see way more 1v1 and fair fights

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Overall, the EU Regional Population has a Horde Majority.

Blizzard are too lazy to put any effort in so they just slap the Regional Population based Outnumbered Buff system on to try and “fix” the situation. Disregarding the fact that the Alliance can both get the bonus and be the majority faction in one shard.

Thats the problem with the RP Realms, which have their own isolated shards (so RP players don’t get mixed up with normal players), is that they have an Alliance majority but still benefit from the Regional Population statistic.

It is naive and thick-headed gerrymandering…

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Because Alliance cried harder and louder, while also being a faction populated with a larger percentage of people who will overreact and turn WM: Off. The numbers were fairly equal at the start of BfA, then the Alliance playerbase decided to go hiding and threaten for welfare to turn it back on. They got what they wanted.

The problem has always been sharding being handled wrongly at its core though.

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I think you might need to change the title to show you are talking about RP servers :wink:

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As far as I know, horde did never get bonus higher than 10% These days it has little to no sense what Blizzard does, bunch of lazy ignorants. Just out of curiosity, how is the situation in different regions from EU, has Horde ever got higher Bonus in there? Blizzard really should re-think the whole thing.

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I hate horde mode i wish there was never 30% bonus and now i feel like i must have it on or i will miss 3000AP on every 10k i farm.Everywhere i go quests are camped by 10+ hordes and i have to wait them to finish it.If there was no bonuses i dont see why would i want to have it on when hordes are dominating in population 70/30 H/A

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yeah that works too but I doubt Blizzard are going to remove the warmode bonus anytime soon now that it’s in the game, if nothing else this would be a temporary fix until enough time has passed that Blizzard feel they can remove the feature

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I think the Horde actually have the buff over in the US Region. That still doesn’t justify the stance of assumed “constant” faction minority over there or in any Region when there are clear and common instances of the majority faction in the zone/shard/area or server group getting the buff.

No Faction should get the buff while they 5-man gank single targets, or when it is they who occupy the World Quest without any individual opposing player able to get near!

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And thats then problem! War Mode is about WPvP! Its not Bonus Mode. You shouldn’t have it on unless you want to WPvP to some extent - the bonuses are there to reward those who take the risk.

War Mode shouldn’t pander to any PvE players on either Faction. The system is being abused by the Alliance and other players who think the bonuses are the main aspects of the game mode!

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  1. Would make region faction imbalance worse = increase in number of horde overflow shards.
  2. Would incentivize additional shard hopping for best shard bonus = massive increase in players appearing/disappearing,

No thx :smiling_face:

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Yes please remove the bonuses . Both side’s win. I dont have to feel forced to play in WM on , fight 10v1 and wait for quests , and you horde guys get to rekt aliance in wpvp because you cant kill anybody in any form of organized rated pvp.

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And you Alliance can go do open world PvE because you can’t seem to get anyway through Mythic Raid progression! ^^

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Yeah be proud of it that thanks to Blizzard never acting on their mistakes (Horde racials) our competitive scene is dead. Congratz. Oh at 9pm we had 6 raid in legacy raids… But hey Horde is more than fine! So screw the Alliance.

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WM is a PvE mode, with PvP added. It’s PvE + PvP, not WPvP. WPvP is just what we do within WM, to varying degrees.

Bonus should be irrelevant to WPvPers, just a tool to incentivise players. Even without it, you’d still have a mix of player types. Because WM = PvE + PvP.

PvE players wouldn’t WM on without bonus? Oh ye they would. I saw it on my old PvP realm Defias. And received the tears whispers, “Don’t attack me, I’m questing!”. WM is no different.

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Ooph, the salt! So are we just not going to remember we are in a thread talking about the shoddy Alliance-favouring Outnumbered buffs Blizzard has implemented?

Don’t have a dig at the Horde where it isn’t the Horde’s fault! Blizzard makes mistakes across the board!

The fact that War Mode has WPvP (rather than Normal Mode’s pure PvE) is the reason why War Mode is about WPvP. It’s the defining feature that sets it apart from Pure PvE Mode.

No, WPvPers need incentives too. The right incentives. Activity is the incentive. Objectives. Doesn’t have to be hard-solid-tangible objectives like World Quests (or hey! Why not Azeroth Capture Towers!) but there has to be some form of a goal.

Plain and simple ganking can go some way to be enjoyable but after repetition, people begin to ask; why? Community is also an incentive, but that has been sucked out of the game. So has true content, which saps most of the livestock away.

To be honest, that’s just naivety through and through - it’s people wanting to WPvP only when they will 100% dominate and get the kill. Only when they are the badass good guys!

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It’s about WPvP, but not all about WPvP, depending on the player.

  • Pure PvE, doesn’t want PvP at all.
  • 99% PvE, will PvP only for PvP quests.
  • Mainly PvE, wants ‘risk’ of PvP happening.
  • Mainly PvE, wants to PvP some of the time.
  • Mainly PvE, will PvP while PvEing.
  • Even’ish mix of PvE and PvP.
  • More PvP than PvE, but needs rep, etc.
  • Mainly PvP, but needs rep, etc.
  • 99% PvP, but needs rep, etc.
  • Pure PvP.

In our WM survey, linked from within WM forum, most said they WM for WPvP. If I posted same survey in General forum, the responses would probably be different. Fact is, WM is designed for all the above player types, not just ones at the extreme ends.

I’d play a pure form of WPvP minus the PvE, but that’s not WM. And old PvP realms were not pure PvP either.

Imo this is same situation as above, different players have different motivations, different wants. Many want reward for WPvP, some just want WPvP.

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You’re lying. It’s impossible to play in War mode, you can’t complete any quests at all as alliance.

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I don’t usually go am on, but when I do we are a flying party of five preying on green Bois at the fly points :slight_smile::hugs:

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YOu miss on glad mounts for not doing it you miss for famed title for not doing mythic etc what was your point?