No druid would use wildheart unless whatever they had was incredibly crap.
It’s not about what class designers had in mind back when they had no clue how to itemise gear, it’s about it being an upgrade or not. And while certainly it’s common to pass special upgrades for guildies or friends, in a pug there’s no real reason to pass on an upgrade.
End of story
Are warriors rolling on leather and mail? YES.
Are they rolling for cloth, leather and mail itemised for casters? NO.
Leave dumbfck strawmen at home.
I don’t roll on someone else’s pre raid bis, or bis unless they already have it. Why would I?
None of your trollish drivel is an argument either.
All you are doing is showing how GOOD of an upgrade it is for you.
None of that indicates it’s not an upgrade for others.
Tough luck.
And that’s very commendable.
That doesn’t mean others aren’t -allowed- to roll on it, or ‘huntards’ if they do.
This is true, and also why i roll on bows/xbows and guns even if there are hunters present.
Aka generous behavior is not a choice but mandatory, huh?
If you’re not being generous you’re an a**?
Yeah, doesn’t work like that.
Why are people so hung up over pre-raid bis? I never really understood. And why are you putting something akin to gearscore on it? Is that not something we’re trying to get away from?
i ninja your loot for my offspec
Generous behaviour would be giving the healer or casters in your group the mana potions that you loot. I choose to view letting people who will possibly be using a piece of gear for months have first priority on something that you yourself would vendor after two days as common decency. Then they’ll let you have first priority on something that you need more than them. You scratch my back, I scratch yours.
You’re not required to do it, but if you do take his pre-bis for whatever reason then yes, you are an a** and I won’t invite you back. Same as with common decency in any situation, really. In actually good groups it’s usually more worth it to establish a good relationship with your party than it is to get a tiny upgrade that’ll last you for a few days. Even more so if you’re a DPS that could use some healer and tank friends.
It’s a mentality generated over years from pservers. The entire term is from there.
It’s just a piece of gear - it doesn’t matter what advantage it may give a specific class / player - it’s just a piece of gear
So if a player feels it is an upgrade in stats over their current gear - they are entitled to roll for it
It seems to me you should be forming groups with master loot and stating from the get go that you are reserving gear
Good luck with that
It seems like the point just goes straight over your head.
Wether or not it’s a massive upgrade to you doesnt matter, if it’s also an upgrade to them.
Unless the item is class specific, too bad, the agility is great on a hunter aswell.
If you want this kind of special treatment, go in a guild grp or with friends.
Ah sweet sweet tear of loor dramas. Mmmm so tasty. Remember, dear friend, everything is " Hunter weapon". It’s just truth nothing more
Imagine rolling human rogue KEKW
HUNTER WEPN
I must be a generous person then.
“BiS” is only BiS until they get a raid gear drop that is better. Which may very well be after 2 days as well.
You seem to be missing my point. I am not arguing against common decency and generosity.
I am arguing against ENTITLEMENT to generosity.
Generosity is something a person does, not something you can demand. The moment you demand it, it’s no longer generosity, but bullying.
It being an upgrade IS A VALID REASON and you have NO valid grounds to put consequences on that.
“BiS” is little more than a label players put on gear.
Again, I am not disagreeing with this.
I am disagreeing with entitlement to generosity.
So are people supposed to know what the pre raid bis list for every class is?
Hint: no one outside your guild cares
Note the “will possibly be using a piece of gear for months” part. Indeed, a pre-bis item may be replaced by a raid item if you’re lucky. However, that does in no way refute the fact that in the vast majority of cases it will take far longer and much more effort to replace a pre-bis item than some item which can be replaced by any number of items from dungeons for your class.
Again, I am not saying that they have to do use common decency. They are free to roll need if they want. However, I will also think that they are an a** for their lack of care for others. Where I am from common decency is exactly that, common. If someone hasn’t eaten their fill yet and is hungry, but you feel like having a snack, you don’t grab the last bowl of food because screw them, you’re just as entitled to it as they are. Of course you’re free to do it, but just because you can that doesn’t make you not an a**. It may not be a perfect analogy, but my point should be clear.
So once again, just to repeat it and make sure I am not misunderstood: I’m not going to demand from them that they pass unless it has been clarified at the start of the run as part of the loot rules. But I will think less of someone that is so selfish and won’t group up with them again. Those are the consequences, ones which I am very much entitled to carry out. Why would I not be? Then those selfish people can stick to their groups with other likeminded people and struggle to improve their gear because everyone’s needing on what they can.
And again, once again, I am not saying that they have to be decent people. I am merely saying that they should be and why that is. I’m fairly certain I stated that he isn’t entitled to it and that they’re not required to pass in my earlier posts. I don’t know why you’re quoting my posts and trying to make it sound like I am saying that is mandatory.
Ask, communicate? That’s what I do at least, if I am unsure of whether or not it’s someone’s pre-bis when an item drops. That’s one of the many wonders of classic WoW, the social aspect.