Didn’t play that expansion so I have no idea what you mean.
I don’t considering pressing a button every 30 seconds part of your active rotation, no.
Didn’t play that expansion so I have no idea what you mean.
I don’t considering pressing a button every 30 seconds part of your active rotation, no.
cant unprune something that started with just 4 buttons
DH you use Immolation Aura, Eye Beam, Blade Dance, Demons Bite & Chaos Strike.
Thats 5 spells. Blade Dance heavily gets reduced by haste ( which DH as a lot of ) and Eye Beam cd gets drastically reduced with Eyes of Rage Trait + Demonic Appetite talent, making it overall atleast only 20 seconds of a CD.
So if I look at other melee specs now. Lets see.
Unholy? Outbreak -> Pet Transform with Festering Wound Cleave Talent -> D&D -> Scourge Strike Scourge Strike Scourge Strike Scourge Strike Scourge Str… Zzzz… Oh, Epidemic. Epidemic. Epidemic. Zzzzz.
Enhance? Oh boy. Flametongue, Crash Lightning, Stormstrike. Stormstrike. Stormstrike. Crash Lightning.
Man.
Well here is all the class guides for Wrath including the ‘rotations’. You’ll not that almost all of them have something in the core rotation that is on a long cooldown.
https://www.gnarlyguides.com/wotlk/class-guides/
I also have stuff that’s on long cool down, doesn’t mean DH is more than a 3 button spec?
If you’re not actively pressing the button every few seconds, it’s not part of your rotation for me.
Right… In a few seconds you can press 3 buttons provided one of them is off GCD.
Additionally, that’s not how rotations work.
Your rotation is the combination of buttons you press to achieve your roles potential. Thus, to achieve my goal of tanking I need to press these buttons to maintain aggro and protect myself.
Glaive Throw, Torment, Infernal Strike, Immolation Aura, Fracture, (Shear, sometimes), Fracture, Spirit Bomb, Flame Sigil, Infernal Strike. I use Shear and Spikes if things get dicey.
That’s a rotation, I repeat from Immolation Aura, this doesn’t include my neck ability.
Your idea of a rotation is not what a rotation is. You rotate through all of your abilities whether they have a 10 second CD or no CD it’s still part of your rotation.
My idea is correct because it’s my opinion.
it’s still a 3 Button spec.
Using your timing rule is incorrect however, it’s too arbitrary.
By your standard, colossus smash is not part of an arm’s warriors rotations, when anyone who plays arms knows full well it is, and it has a cooldown of 40 secs. Avenging Wrath not being part of rets rotation? So what, Ret paladins don’t use it regularly (on CD) to deal damage? If the answer is yes, it is rotation.
Time cooldown is not determiner of rotation, it is whether the ability factors into your standard output say in a boss situation in order to deal damage. So this includes big Cooldowns, but excludes stuff that is situational and probably used once per raid boss encounter like victory rush for example.
The “how many buttons is Ur rotation” argument is bogus anyway. DH problem is not buttons, it is their rotation lacks complexity. No conditional ability uses (simple build spend and use on CD for basically all abilities) they fully manage their resource, and they have no procs to watch for. So basically they just build resource, and spend it, using whichever “biggest” ability is available to do so. That is the simplest iteration of a build spend.
Compare to stuff like Arms who have to watch for Overpower stacks and resets, Colossus Smash windows or Enh who have to manage flametongue uptime and stormbringer procs
This is just entitled idiocy. You’re wrong and your opinion does not make you right, no matter how much you wish it.
No, it’s not. In fact, I think even in Havoc, you still have at least 4 buttons to press. Felblade, Chaos Strike, Blade Dance, Vengeful Retreat, Fel Rush, Chaos Nova. All part of the main rotation and that’s not including Eyebeam or Throw Glaive which are ALSO part of their rotation, Pax did a good job of explaining this to you above.
Source Icy Veins - Your opinion does not equate to fact.
It was an example not a rule calm down lmao.
You’re missing the point so hard.
OK low rio DH player.
It’s a 3 button spec, but stay delusional
Sorry about the rude and short answer, but I really can’t be bothered repeating my points 6 times over in every thread to people that barely play the game.
No idea what this means but, I can wager a guess. I’m returning after 2 years away and I only play Vengence. Though your petty insults mean nothing to me, it does clearly indicate what kind of player you are.
You’re the delusional one, disregarding fact. Check Icy Veins, check WoWHead. You are wrong, end of.
I’m not wrong, I can play 99% of the dungeon only using pressing my 3 button rotation, + Eye beam and immolation aura every 20 to 30 seconds.
If you really wanna count your 1 minute CC cooldowns and defensives as part of your rotation you might as well add your interrupt to your rotation, which just means that there’s just no point talking to you.
Do tell me, what kinda player am I?
I’m not one of the hard naysayers here, I’m just going from what I known admittedly I don’t have a DH I’m running high content in. So educate me, what are the conditions of the DH rotation beyond build spend and use on CD? I ask it in good faith.
I’m familiar with what I’d call a conditional rotation (enh, primal primer) so it’d be cool to see what I’m missing.
You are wrong as the majority of the community would disagree with you including all class articles from reputable sources used by millions such as wowhead and icy-veins.
Also, I never included my one minute CC, Fiery Brand or Metamorphosis nor did I even make a slight gesture towards including defensive’s as part of a rotation but, they are.
If the boss requires you to use Disrupt on CD… Guess what, it’s now part of your rotation.
Rotations are flexible and dynamic and aren’t a simple combination of buttons pressed in an order.
Oh man, I won’t be replying any further as this is like smacking a wet blanket at a wall of paint and expecting to cover the ceiling entirely.
The Majority of players actually good at the game don’t disagree with me xd?
Long DPS cooldowns are DPS cooldowns and not part of your rotation, how many more times do i have to say that?
If they were I’d count adrenaline rush and every other big cooldown as part of my rotation, but I don’t.
For comparison: I casted my Essence in the last dungeon more often than the DH casted Eye Beam lmao
The fact is that DH has a super simple rotation with never changing prioritiy, no room to mess up and still outstanding performance for no effort put in, but believe whatever you want to believe
I don’t play Havoc very often and if I do it’s specifically to do something quicker than if I was in Tank spec.
The general gist of our opening rotation would be Immolation Aura (Pre-cast if you can or have it.) Metamorphesis, Nemesis, Felblade, Felrush, Death Sweep, Annihilation then into Eye Beam, from there you will repeat (generally) Annihilation and Death sweep as often as you can. It’s not overly complicated though, that lack of complication comes from not having appropriate proc or timed buffs.
My main point here is that this person thinks anything you can fit into three seconds is what is classed as a rotation.
Edit: Personally, I like to throw in a Vengeful Retreat and Felrush because, it looks and feels awesome. Other than that, the spec doesn’t interest me, as I’ve been a Tank main since WOTLK.
Naidak (Warrior), Lionax (Paladin), Mallac (Druid) all on Twisting Nether, though I found Warrior to be the most fun for me to play I’ve not picked him back up yet since WoD as I liked the sigil aspects of the DH, which can be quite tricky to master.
At least be honest LOL.
You Fel rush into the pack, then you use immolation aura, eyebeam and then spam Demon’s Bite, Annihilation (Chaos Strike) and Death Sweep(Blade Dance) until your meta runs out.
Most of the dungeon you’ll just be spamming Demons bite, Chaos strike and Blade dance.
People don’t play nemesis because it’s bad, but you can overcomplicate DH through talents all you want
PS: I wouldn’t listen to icyvein guides that much, most of them do their weekly 15 and then they’re done with their experience of the class
You mean that post in a good or bad way? You mean it will stay easy to play for bad players or what?
As I stated, are you just… a troll or attempting to get a rise out of me… What’s going on here?
PS. I also mentioned WoWHead or is your opinion superior to the data miners and number crunchers as well?
I’m saying you have a 3 button rotation but you just don’t want to accept that for some reason lol.
Yes, it is.