The grind is really bad. I don’t know if I’ll even make it to 619. I’ve even found myself doing stuff like IRL chores because they’re less stale than the grind.
What are you grinding?
I am just playing M+ and i am fine.
you aint really. you are 621 thats a good 8-9 ilvls behind NOW from raiders, and that will keep increasing week by week since you are near cap from outside vault loot.
yws but you gotta realise that unless your ultimate goal is runigns +10s farming golded crests is pretty much pointless. those extra 4-5 itlv whch you will obtain after months of crests cfarm wont make you sudeenly perform 20-30 % better to get 10s done if you cant get them done in 619 itlv already .
most people quit before they even start seeing how pointless it is.
like theoreticlay you can put in ton of effort do hundres of dungoens and still will eventually fail because couple of weeks in you will be over 10 itlv lower then mythic raiders and you wont ever get into any +10s anyway because entry barrier for most keys will be soon “be 630 + or gtfo”
so yes most of players unelss they mythic raid will be hardcapped on 619tilv.
You mean that will only will get smaller since i get still improvements while they are done gearing.
For the record; i haven’t opened my vault yet. And i havent grinded all the crests for upgrading the lower items i am wearing. I am definitely fine.
you have completed 2 x 10 keys.
most likely your own when you were luckly enough to reroll to eaisest dungoens this season .
I have 3 myth track options from M+ waiting for me in the vault.
I finished 9 +10’s last week and timed 3.
This was the first; timed
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-1/7177581-10-mists-of-tirna-scithe
I also runned 2x Grim batol and 2x City of threads +10.
I have absolutely no idea what you try to say or prove or … i just dont know. But as usual you are spouting nonsense on the forums.
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Nothing, the grind is so big I haven’t even started it. Normally I’m in the keys but I’ve only done 4 all season because I’m too daunted by the grind.
I admit that is lame to push players in raid specially when you got the biggest ilvl gap on the last item track. 7ilvl for champion to hero and 13 for hero to myth while 619 to 626 is for now not a good way to spend crest so even 20 ilvl for most items.
I understand this crzp while rwf but now it is over. Imo we should have myth track from +12 to give more incentive to do them after the famous rwf.
But if I understand they think we gonna stay sub more times if our looting are worse. Personally when I get stuck I get quickly bored full stuff or not. And I will surely not wait all my loot on the GV 
. I guess the week after the 20th anniversary will be a good time to fly.
Hope next time I sub the gearing process will be better because for me that mostly delves into craft 636 and myth track GV. For me it was funnier to farm m+ to loot items.
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im to lazy to check raider io .
you profile on forums shows 2 timed dungeons.
imagine going though tens of hours just to unlock Gv - how long can you keep it going ? how much time you are wasting on rejections ?
and those rejections will be more and more often when you are more and more behind on gear.
is it worth it ? what about your alts ?
you are missing my point complelty
because most players just cba with this tuning.
you are liekly putting like 20+ hours a week into m+ to get resoult worse then raiders get in 4 hours a week of doing first 4 bosses on mythic .
More nonsense spouting. Probably again lazy. Even too lazy to type “too”.
yes 
/10 char
besides it doesnt matter. just checked fast on reddit - apaently even though participation in S1 started at 1 mln higher then in S4 of DF which it already almost the same numbers and is dropping in super fast pace. in 2 weeks they went down from 2.4 mln to 1.8 mln compelted runs
in 2 weeks it will be much worse as more and more peopel are giving up with each reset + those who compelted portals are bailing too , then in S4 of DF proving how much of a fauilure current design is.
I definitely am very much criticizing the current key-difficulty and reward structure. We had in DF from +16’s already the highest crests? And from +18 myth track gear in the vault? I mean; we can be happy the crests come now from +8, but that is still 2 key levels higher than we had.
But people should not spout nonsense, like you basically do.
Yeah, and 639 is locked behind the weekly crests. Both from m+ and raid, you will have similar ilvl. What increases your ilvl more is mainly the acquisition of crests rather than the number of myth track items available.
numbers dont lie. and those are in freefall soon about to be worse in content lul S4 of DF
and that had bis mythic quality gear from vendors lol .
Yes, M+ is currently too difficult scaled.
And with the removal of the lowest 10 keylevels you basically only get ‘hardcores’ in M+.
which is exaclty what im saying
most people give up before they even try pushing.
and its deliberate from blizz to force them into raiding.
No, you were saying people who play the whole season are tops getting to 619.
And you said i have only done 2 M+10 keys last week.
And only my own key luckily falling in the easy one.
Dungeons are easy, the wrong part is the ilvl we have and we loot. First and 2nd week we were getting destroy in 10 because of the low ilvl. But we also have no way to upgrade it except stay sub and wait.
At around 636 ilvl everbody will destroy +12. But everything is time gated. Isnt that obvious ?
Lets say we need 630 ilvl to do +12 without sweating too much but it gives 613. Isnt it weird ?
yes there will be a lot of people who wont ever get a single piece of mythic quality loot from m+ this season .
most of them will quit long before they even start grinding creasts to get gear above 619.
if first 2 weeks seen a drop of 30 % and it will only speed up now most people will quit long before +10s.
cant wait for reddit to show this weeks droppoff tomorrow or day after tomorrow