Why not expand classic

There is a golden opportunity here to have wow classic become a separate game instead of walking the same footsteps by reintroducing old expansions.

Updates which would keep the original world relevant and not just current expansion zone, I honestly see no point to launching TBC in the future as it is, I can go right now and play it on private servers if I wanted.

I know it’s still a long time before we reach this point, but why not call for the separate wow experience one based solely on Classic Wow design philosophies avoiding features which later lead to community cry out for classic servers in the first place.

This can lead if done right to completely unique wow version instead of just older one.

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You can also go and play Vanilla on the private servers right now.
Your argument is void, there are plenty of TBC and WoTLK fans, who are just waiting for the new realms with their expansion. Those fans don’t want classic to be ruined, they don’t even want the classic community on their expansion servers whining about “le good ol”.

Look at it this way, once the WoTLK realms are live, there won’t be any queues on Classic anymore, ever. Because the vast majority of people prefer early WoTLK to any other expansion. And the infamous graph of Blizzard peaking @ 12 million subs shows it clearly.

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I’m arguing for making classic a completely unique wow experience in the long run instead of just going through old content majority already played.

Why is it such a bad idea? We are back in time right now, it’s a great opportunity to avoid future mistakes made by upcoming expansions… Again look at RS3 and OSRS, it became completely unique game from it’s predecessor one following the path faithful to it’s original design philosophies

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That’s not a bad idea. It’s a very good one. Sadly, your random wow citizen on this forum is a nostalgia zombie that roams in a museum, apparently…

I tried to start a thread like yours, and now it’s filled with whiners who don’t get it and who are scared about even fixing damn bugs.

That said…

Regarding this idea… I’m all for it. And for instance, what about making some suggestions ?

For example, you say “keep the old world relevant instead of adding expansions zone”. How do you do that in a game where the level is everything ? Maybe remove the level aspect, and go for a more “deck approach” of classes ?
You know, like guild wars 1 for example, where you have to choose from abilities you find in the game. That’s a possibility… And there’s tons of ideas blizzard could get from Hearthstone to create interesting abilities. Of course, that would require a lot of adaptation, but that’s an idea. Maybe a good one, maybe a bad one.

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Because putting a lot of work into the Classic makes no sense. Lots of people are just checking classic out, like me. I have no intention to grind it out, just to visit Ahn’Qiraj again, or open the gates again. I can do Ahn’Qiraj and the quests related to it in BFA, imagine that.

If anything, it would make sense, to re-release TBC and WoTLK on separate realms, as they were then, because clearly there is a demand for older expansions, without adding lots of new stuff, that won’t ruin the game again.

Besides, the next logical step, if Classic is a huge success, would be to try and implement the philosophy you’re talking about, back into the retail, the next expansion. In an attempt to save and make retail great again. That all makes sense from a business standpoint. Dedicating lots of resources to Classic only would be a mistake, because I can assure you, that plenty of playing Classic now, would dump it in favor of a TBC or WoTLK realm right now.

I do understand, what you’re hinting at. Just re-imagine the entire game (retail) by starting with the Classic servers, but the chances are, that it is not going to happen anytime soon.

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I’m very passionate about this seeing massive success OSRS is compares to retail, so I say don’t stop voicing support for it.

I would actually suggest soft remaking TBC and releasing it without rising lvl cap, you reach end game you might have some quest chains to unlock new abilities, keeping all lvl 60 zones relevant, instead of just new ones. So ye I like your suggestion overall.

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Only problem with launching tbc is that they might force everyone to on classic servers to play on it.

We will see at this years blizzcon I guess, I’m all for remaking retail to something more faithful, but let’s be honest are they willing to remake retail wow in such an extreme degree? I doubt it, but you never know, BFA reception and Classic popularity maybe finally opened their eyes.

why not play the game instead of feeding Blizzard terrible ideas?

“Mistakes they did” - some find that those things were not mistakes.

It depends if Blizz is seriously interested in reworking WoW from the scratch. It sounds really good, I think many players have great ideas which seriously may works. Anyway it doesnt makes sense… currently WoW is already struggling with outdated engine and code, if they wanted to remake WoW long term they need to make it on new engine… if thats the case, its better to just go WoW 2 with new story, sequel would be more interesting than just back in time remake.

You want another suggestion ? Class/talents related this time.

Noone really like talents like “increase stuff by 1%” or “decrease stuff cost by 1”. But we’re all excited when we finally get a talent that unlocks a new active ability.

At the same time, there are classes who can play hybrid, and some other who don’t really play hybrid. Understand “hybrid” here stands for “hybrid role”, which means “can tank, heal and DPS”. I’m trying to be clear, because there’s another meaning to “hybrid” and that’s “hybrid playstyle”, which means, for example, as a rogue “relying on finishers AND poisons”.
Here, I’m really talking about hybrid roles at first. Then, you can think for yourself how this naturally extends to hybrid playstyles.

So, regarding hybrid roles, the issue is that some players get angry when they see that a class (which is usually not their) can fill any role, and they feel that this makes their own class useless. Therefore, their solution is to introduce an artificial “hybrid tax” on hybrid classes. That tax basically means : “you’re good at nothing but heal. But the priest will be a better healer than you”. That’s how it works in vanilla/classic.

In the next expansions, blizzard slowly changed this to focus on each spec individually instead of focusing on classes. So, an hybrid class had to choose to become either specialized in tanking, healing or DPS. But they basically lost ALL their hybrid capacity, except for the ability to respec to another role. So, for a given fight, any hybrid is really only a specialized class, just like “pure classes”. But… The hybrid tax is still there (just not as worse as it used to be).

That’s the current state of classic/retail.

— now the suggestion —

Remove almost all abilities from the core of the classes and make them into talents-trees similar to vanilla/classic talents-trees.
Keep most powerful spec-defining abilities down the tree. And create requirements (using the arrow connecting talents) when needed to prevent players from choosing abilities that would give them a much too powerful combo.

Now, players who want to play a hybrid class but specialize heavily into one role can do that.
And players who want to play a hybrid class and keep the hybrid playstyle also can do that.

For example, as a druid…
If I want to be some kind of melee DPS monster, I can spec completely into feral cat.
If I want to be a pure DPS with the added versatility of being able to choose between melee and range (and switch whenever I want during the same fight), I spec into feral and balance. But of course, that means I won’t be able to get the most powerful abilities of both trees.
If I want to be a pure healer, I can do it.
If I want to be a healer that DPS as a cat, I can do it.
If I want to be a tank with lazers, I can do it.
If I want to be jack-of-all-trades, I can do it.

Basically, that immediately introduce tons of diversity into this class. Creates tons of possibilities and things to look for.

How to keep all of this balanced ? As I said, the most powerful abilities are deep into each tree. So you cannot get them all.

As a druid, that would mean things like:

  • powerful AoE healing is deep into resto tree.
  • powerful AoE DPS is deep into either feral and/or balance tree.
  • powerful damage reduction is deep into feral, locked behind some arrow requirement.
  • etc.

That’s just for the basic aspects of each role, but you can also add utility talents there.

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Don’t know OP, maybe because in 2 years and the 1000 threads on the subject apparently weren’t enough.

Check them and you will get an idea why its better to go with WoW 2/ Better retail expansions instead.

If this thread grows,you will see why. People and their ideas…The only "good"ideas.

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Same can be said about classic for last years, why then want it ?

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I don’t get it. People cried to have classic and they finally got it.

Other players would love to see the game evolve from classic basis into something different than retail. And just because these guys are trying to discuss this idea, the former come in and growl how bad that would be, even insulting the latters. Come on… If you disagree with this idea so strongly, you’re welcomed to go away and play classic.

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For me they can do this:

  1. keep wow classic
  2. launch TBC on different servers where u can transfer your existing characters from classic to with all items and gold
  3. bring out new content for both classic and TBC after a while when all raids have been conquered
  4. build a new expansion based on classic or TBC, not going the cataclysm route but something totally different without all the retail crap since cataclysm (and that MoP horror).
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Updates before the expansion are minor in comparison, expansions usually introduce game changing features.

I don’t trust that modern Blizzard are capable of improving on Vanilla WoW, after all the latest work they have to show for themselves is BfA, if that doesn’t make your stomach turn then you are a fool.

I also don’t trust that an OSRS system would create anything of worth. The reason the modern game is swirling around in the toilet is because morons on these very forums cried at Blizzard for years to add what they wanted to the game and Blizzard capitulated. I don’t want to go down that path again and I don’t want Classic’s future to be decided by people who have no idea how to design a good video game or what’s best for the game in the long term.

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Blizzard thought convenience, ease of use and free rewards is what players want, yet I’m more excited leatherworking gear in classic than for mythic+ drops.

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That’s because going from +4 strength to +8 strength is a 100% upgrade, whereas +718 to +826 is only a 15% upgrade.

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