No but most private server players don’t play constantly all the time. They play through season 1-4 then takes a break. Maybe come back to a newly opened TBC server starting over again from Season 1-4.
Meanwhile many of the top retail players has continued to play the game every single season for 15 years straight.
Kinda shows the arrogance of some of these people to think they’re better than people who have been playing PvP at the highest level for ages. They sure are full of themselves.
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Exactly, they played through season 1-4. Then they did it again. And again. And again.
Also, any “season” after 4 is irrelevant to the discussion of TBC PvP.
I guess we won’t be able to say for sure until we get there. However, my point still stands.
Retail players with no TBC experience in boosted gear contribute about the same as someone AFK in base.
I am not a private server player myself, so I don’t know where you’re getting this idea from. I’ve never claimed to be better than anyone else.
Eh. Why would people still be in boosted gear when they ding level 70? That makes no sense.
Not really, many abilites has stayed through out the game as core abilities. They still got the general knowledge of said abilities. And they probably to some degree remember how to play back in the days.
This thread is about why people are “toxic” against boosted characters in the current state of the game. Retail players coming in to (level 60) battlegrounds without any TBC experience wearing green boost gear are close to useless, and many people including myself are upset over this.
Havent I already proven that people can look you up easly when you are posting from a retail char, before you talk about things you havnt done do them and see what yuo talk about. the first time you got to 2k rating was in BFA so you clearly havent been activily pushing high ranks so please stop pretending you are amazing at the game like you did with raids earlier as well its just embarising yourself
We were talking about arena. Not my fault you decided to change subject.
Who says I was talking about myself? We were talking about rank one players who have been playing at high ranking consistently vs private server players. This isn’t even about me. I never once claimed I was an amazing player in raids, it was simply a discussion about the difficulty in mechanics in Vanilla vs now. Those are simple facts anyone can look up.
But since you brought it up, it was my first serious attempt at pushing and I almost made it to 2.1k. That’s more than decent for a first try.
You are saying things in a way that make you sound like you think you are a expert though, and just as with raids you have to experience the arenas to be able to compare the 2 not just watch videos of people. And like I said Complexity is not = dificulty.
I have experienced old raids and I have experienced new raids, so I can compare them just fine. To me raids in Classic and TBC are less difficult than normal raiding we have in current times. I’d compare it around LFR difficulty for most encounters.
I have been playing PvP since TBC, so I have enough experience to see how people perform even if that’s from a video. It’s not exactly hard to compare 2 things with eachother when it comes to positioning and awareness.
This whole Classic is way harder is alot of nonsense, and that is an informed opinion coming from experience.
You done nothing after nighthold over lfr level not even cleared that one, last expansion you killed 3 bosses in LFR, you are lying about having experienced new raids clearly.
You have no real raid experience in retail for atleast a few years so you have no clue how hard or easy they are right not so you cant compare things.
Not arena clearly your first arena achive is from 2013.
Videos are not the same as experience.
You are comparing what is basicly 2 difrent games from videos though. Both Vanila and TBC are so difrent from retail in how a lot of things work that some of the skills are not transfereable.
Never said it was way harder never even claimed it was that hard, but you have claimed that retail is way harder and its not they are basicly around the same level actually but just becouse of difrent things, you are weaker as a character in classic therfor bosses hit harder for example its also way more dificult to bring together 39 other people than it is to bring togheter atleast 9 others (and before you start talking about mythic again im still not talking about mythic raiding). Before you claim anything about how hard anything is you should really do both things first and not just baselessly claim things.
Reading is hard, isn’t it. I said “i have experienced new raids” as in, raids after classic and TBC.
Yes, I do have a clue. I even raided normal in Legion, and did my LFR here and there. I can compare them just fine. There’s also something called the opinions of people who do the hardest content in the game.
I actually got challenger in TBC on this rogue, as a clueless person who wasn’t even hitcapped.
Except I have played enough PvP to have that experience to see how people perform.
Positioning and awareness is the same in both games, that’s literally the deciding factor between those at the top and those who are not.
That’s why all raids got cleared the same day in not so great gear and some were not even at max level.
That’s not difficulty, that’s just time consuming. Besides, you can down the bosses with numerous people afking in the raid, try doing that in retail.
I have done both, and I can compare them just fine from the content I did.
Thats not a sutiable defintion of new.
Yes emerald nightmare you did on normal so what?
Dont make me laugh I can see when you got the challenger achivment and I have seen others who were even gladiators back then and their achivment for things sure isnt dated to 2020.
Prove it
You dont seem to grasp that old videos are old for example not many private server palyers upload videos to youtube and such.
MC got cleared with people under 60 in bad gear yeah but for the rest people were geared and non of the raids were cleared by retail guilds wonder why that is.
But you havent your defintion of new would even include ICC and no one in the entier world would consider ICC to be new.
Thanks for showing that you probably never played TBC back in the day. Achievements were added in WOTLK, and only a select few were added retroactively. And we’re done 
Have fun in that fantasy land of yours where things in Classic are so hard.
Odd that there are people with pvp achivments from the date of the pre patch im guessing you werent good enough and now you are defensive about it.
Yes, I’m so defensive about it that I myself already said that I was clueless at the time. You’re not very good at this, are you?
Blizzard didn’t offered a boost, you paid for it
I’ve never had a bad interaction with a single person who has bought a boost or the deluxe (obviously this could still change). Ironically the bad interactions I’ve had so far in TBC prepatch are with people who oppose the services and wrongly take it out on the players.
Fortunately there are reasonable Classic players too, loads of them actually. As with Retail and Classic there will always be horrible and nice players. I’ve had some fantastic groups in dungeons since I’ve boosted. It’s been a blast.
We are all WoW players, we should all just get along.
Gank em all to death on pvp servers.