Why the level 58 boost is bad for the game #stoptheboost

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I don’t know what these sold, I know that a lot sell name changes, race changes, etc. Didn’t Elysium sell bags or something in the store together with some vanity things? They thought about adding something like the wow token too at some point.

Those 2 servers might not have had a cash shop, but it’s no secret that almost all P-servers had some sort of Store.
Elysium sells T-shirts
Phoenix sold gear
Endless: sells mounts, toys, race change, name change, Apperance change bags, pets, tabards. Just to mention a few.

Also, tho some Pservers didnt have a store, it’s been reported that GM’s sold gold and other services under the rug.

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Every expansion has a seasonal hype that then wanes away. The worse expansion the quicker it happens. SL already lost most of hype players.

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Yep. According to SuperData, Shadowlands lost 41% sub numbers and 61% revenue just after 2 months of release.
It’s in-effing-sane.

This is such a tragedy that some researchers need to be working on it already.

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Well I played for just over a year following nost shut down and I can tell you at the point I played, there was nothing.

BfA lost quicker and more, Legion lost less and slower. This is the 2 year cadence of WoW. With Classic project they have this every year instead of two year - so it’s also obvious they will continue Classic expansion releases for at least few years.

Also next year Blizzcon (if late in the year) - new retail expansion announced. Blizzcon 2023 - WoTLK Classic, 2024 - retail expansion, 2025 - Cata, 2027 - MoP… :smiley:

I dont think Cata or MOP are deemed classic

MoP has insane fanbase. And often go-to when discussing class balance, class design, fun… it will be the time to verify all of that :wink:

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Cataclysm can go naff off. I’d die before playing that dumbed-down garbage again. WoW ended with the death of the Lich King. I consider that canon, everything after that is not canon. It never happened.

I think those of us who use our heads know full-well why Shadowlands is failing so badly. The Josh Strife vid contains a vital piece of the puzzle, but there are others; many others.

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Well i was originally all for wrath as the end point, but it has been pointed out to me that in cata you are still just a player and its mop that brings in the ‘hero’ phrases and changes you into this hero character.

that said i would be ok to play mop, but as its mostly still there in retail i can go play it there, and luckily for me i get no competition to kill those 40 boars!

Then you never played wow in the first place.Lich by far worst expansion on par with pandaria and bfa, while legion considered the best.

And your evidence for this is…?

Or are you just stating a personal opinion?

Boring zones and raid designs,shetty class balance,copypasted raids from vanilla, dumb storyline.Should i continue?
Ulduar - The only good thing about wotlk

No, I asked for evidence, though I have no idea why we’re suddenly talking about WotLK, but whatever.

What I need to see specifically are a series of academic studies from trusted sources, peer-reviewed papers, comparative surveys conducted among representative sections of the player base, and actual scientific comparisons that concatenate each expansion into a discrete formula that can be used for evaluative purposes, weighing each criteria against that of the other expansions in turn.

Do this and I’ll accept that your judgement is not purely based on personal opinion.

4 & dungeon raid difficulties

homogenized reputations (all just ‘do 4 WQs’)

titanforging

AP grind

mythic+ grind

RNGdaries

weekly chest casino dependency

most gear slots locked up (no weapon upgrades due to artifacts, 2 gear slots taken up by legendaries, 6 slots taken up by tier set bonuses - I like tier sets + bonuses but on top of the other locked slots it was too much)

overpruned classes (People were already complaining about it being too much in WoD but yet they went even further, also the changes made it so that most classes played almost the same and it was play the spec, not the class)

and those are just the features that were NEW in legion, what about all the old sh*tty ones?

random secondary stats on too many sources of gear (crafted gear particularly)

Too many items (made getting BiS items a lottery)

LFR, LFD, CRZ, level boosts etc…

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Dude as i said there is no point to talk with you since you dont actually play the game.

I’ll just throw your words back at you

WotLK had probably the best zones in any expansion and classic (icecrown, grizzly hills, storm peaks absolutely god tier design and ambience), one of the best storylines that was based on the main plot of all wc series and the main antagonist- arthas menethil) and possibly the most original and beatiful raids ever (ulduar, ICC, unique raid and dungeon styles like TotC, TotGC, EoE). Wyrmrest temple and the march on icecrown saga in dragonblight, best quest chain in the universe of warcraft ever.

DKs were OP because they were new and Actilizzard want to make money. But it was a beatiful expansion (except the implementation of QoL features, looking for retards etc.) Yes, a lot of the garbage design choices started in WOTLK (mainly after Blizzard got bought by activision in 2008) but its effects started to show late expansion and afterwards, because OG blizzard has already made WotLK expansion before they were absorbed.

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btw folks, this thread is about the level 58 boost, please try to remain on topic. This isn’t the ‘‘what’s the best expansion’’ thread.

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