To make a DK required a L55 character.
And of course the class was specifically designed to be played from that level. Other classes are not designed to be played from L55 - which is why skills are given gradually over time.
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look at this classic is diff in CN
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Thanks for sharing. Very interessting.
No it won’t, because the limiting factor for professional botters is not “get character to cap” but “get people to buy the gold”. Let’s assume all the arguments about “boost-makes-botting-easier” are true, and botters suddenly produce more gold…what’s the point if there isn’t also an additional DEMAND for that gold?
The only thing that would happen: The price for 3rd party gold tanks into oblivion, further damaging their business model. Combine that with the fact that boosts will lower the incentive some people have to buy gold in the first place (because they don’t need gold to pay a mageboost), and you can see ehy the statement “boost makes bot worse” doesn’t add up.
As is every use of the slippery slope argument.
Because the players who did level their toons by hand also get to use the boost if they want to. No one is treated unfairly.
No, it doesn’t.
If these parts of the game matter to you, feel free to enjoy them at your leisure. The boost doesn’t mean you can no longer hand-level a character.
- TBC: New Addon, new relevant content, so part of the gameplay.
- Most people who will use the boost do
- Restricted to one time use per account
Interessting take on that. Just made up my mind about that, so here is my take:
Boosting would also make sure that the last bit of defense we have(banning them) becomes allmost ineffectiv.
You are right, at some point this has to be the case, its allways the question of demand, right ? But before this will happends, the price of gold will drop (more gold than buyers), and with that the licklyhood of people buying gold would increase (equilibrium price), because its cheaper. (This is actually happening with every product on every market)
If we say that it will be the case what you outlined here, the botinsdustry would allmost allways run a max power in the possible area of actually selling gold for real money.
Now the real question is, if the goldselling is at its peak nowadays anyways than boosting will not change to that horrible situation, but seeing how bannwaves effecting AH prices for some time shows that this “recovery” from getting 1000 bots or so banned will be WAY shorter than we have now.
But there is one thing that we can take away from that, that will be bad = We will have more quantities in gold in the sytem, so the inflation will be worse.
Well, it’s not exactly effective right now, isn’t it? It keeps the lid on certainly, making sure the game is not overrun, but as you say, after a short gap, noticeable in AH prices changing somewhat, the bots are back.
I would like to challenge the notion that people will buy gold just because it’s cheaper. WoW Gold, for most people, is not a RL commodity that can be easily transfered, stored, resold…it’s a very specific exchange medium, useful only for very limited purposes. There is no real point to amassing it (what does one buy after getting epic flying and maybe a few gear pieces?). So my point of view is that demand for gold doesn’t really go up when the price goes down as would be the case with, say, stocks. The demand goes up when people need gold.
I would also challenge that notion, because the gold isn’t actually in the market-flow just because a bot farmed it. It gets into the market when its sold to a player and used ingame. And as pointed out above, this is dependent on demand.
So, with my argument placing an emphasis on demand, what does the demand side look like?
Well, TBC will be a huge gold sink INITIALLY for sure…crafting preraid gear, epic flying, BoE trading…but after that, the demand is actually lower than during classic. Consumables are much more sane, what with well farmable lotus and battle/guardian-restrictions in place, leveling is easier, insane BoEs like Blademasters that are required throughout the expansions lifetime don’t exist, and GDKP runs will be far less popular and less expensive with lower raidsizes, increased raid difficulty and a much better loot/peopleInRaid ratio. Plus, TBC has a very good goto method for making gold anyway (dailyquests).
So, and bear in mind this is just my opinion/educatedGuess, the demand in TBC will actually lower than during classic.
edit: forgot a quote for context
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No, it does not. You’re not a new player so stop trying to think like a new player. You’re biased.
If your guild demands such then they can pay for it.
If they’re not willing to pay for it then you don’t do it.
Classic players put way too much of their own ego into hitting level cap.
Then play with your friends, you’ve had a long time to create friends in classic if you care so much about that.
What happened to classic being “about the journey”? Find a clueless player then help them, don’t throw them to the side. That goes against everything classic players claim to be.
People want to log in and play TBC, not classic. Boosting allows that to happen.
I know for a fact i’ll be boosting 1 character to 58 to jump straight into TBC, you’re out of your mind if you think I’m going through classic again. By the time I hit 70 the hype would have already died down.
This just comes across as community gate keeping to me. This sort of community gate keeping was not positive to classic WoW, don’t let it ruin TBC too. Classic was for the classic players, TBC is for everyone.
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Cosmetics are an important factor in online games.
Will you write this same sentence after every new paid service being added to the game? Because last time around in retail that’s what a lot of people did.
This is reason its fun to have a discussion with you. Yeah you actually convinced me that the output of gold is less at least in later stages (after epic flying). But i strongly belive that goldsinks are stronger in TBC. Flyingmount and all the repvendors, its minor thing imo to.
But this means we have more gold and less value (this could be normal, cus its obvious that the amount of gold in the game increases with every expension). Mh… tricky ^^
yeah, you described that good. But its the only thing we have, wich will be demished to nonexistend if boosting is profitable for botting. Ill take a sip to drink over nothing to drink ^^
mh… when i worte that, i thought it should be obvious right ? Something costs less = should be more attractive to customers and should lead to more untis sold. This normally happends until the buyingpower is higher then the “new” price and should lead to a stable price for a product. Until this changes again.
I still have problem with this:
20 euro for 1k gold = 100 customers
15 euro for 1k gold = 100 customers
10 euro for 1k gold = 100 customers
if we not include inflation wich can explain that easy iam not sure if the points you made above are going to achieve that.
But its a good question: What do buy people with gold after they have their stuff like flying and proffesions. Its consumes and gdkp i guess. Now we need a median of gold spend from a server and a list of what it was spended for.
I cant point my finger at it right now, but i have the feeling we are up to something.
Precisely, that’s one of the big problems in progressive games economies, and one that Blizzard never really managed to solve. At some point they got desperate and included huge cash-sinks in the form of ridiculously priced mounts, only by that time, some people already had accounts numbering in the tens of millions and more, plus, with mounts becoming ever more mundane (what’s another mount to a collection that already includes 100+) it didn’t really work out.
Tricky question. There have been several attempts at solving it over the years, some of them relatively good (like different currencies for each expansion, with gold-sinks demanding that currency, effectively soft-resetting gold), but none of them can really be implemented in WoW.
This is true for most goods, however, it requires the good to be in demand for some reason. If no one wants what someone is selling, it doesn’t matter how cheap it gets.
That would be really interesting data to have, agreed, and not just for this discussion. Maybe one day, Blizz will make it available 
If Blizzard will do this i will boost a char to 58 
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Before i start i should explain what i ment with valid. Its a reason i can relate if i flex my empathiemuscle. Not the other ones that are crab und show a shortsight of thinking. Furthermoore they were only linked to the impact of the boost for boting and selling gold. From a moral standpoint i did not found a valid reason for the boost, but that not surprising, we both know that belives and values not change easily regardless how strange they may be 
The valid points i saw where in a talk with Sorzza who is a pro-booster but has real logical reasons why and can outline them.
I will post some bits of the confersation where we tried to understand our differences:
This made me think that is is possible that the boost could not be as bad for the eco as is initally thought, because he had a valid point here.
Overall goldcost is lower, the high consumesprices should be lower and everyone will have - by default more gold - just natural via dailys.
Dont get me wrong, i think boosting will create alot of (invinsable)bots and this will ensure that goldselling is at its potentional maxium when it comes to sales, but maybe it is not as bad as i thought.
I think we disagree in the actual outcome, but i can say because of this valid point i have now a different more ambievalent view on the topic when it come to economic impact of boosting.
This is a plus in my book at least
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Why people are malding so hard over a 1 time purchase lvl 58 boost is beyond me. This thread is full of gatekeeping and it’s disgusting.
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Iam still waiting for day when you actually formulate an argument that is not your opinion. Maybe even one that makes sense not only for your view, values and believes. Do you know what your believes are and what they do with your worldview ? I tell you a little secret: No one here takes you seriously.
Knowledge and education are crazy… at some point you belive something and because of understanding something new you belive something else that makes more sense to you than the belive before.
Do you even read, bro ?
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Your arguments are all related to botting, gold sellers and the so called game ‘integrity’. Those are all issues completely unrelated to the 58 boost. If you have an issue with the above, you should start thinking about the root of the those problems (which is not the boost).
Stop gatekeeping people from playing with their friends. Thats what the boost is for at the end of the day.\
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will be used to create bots, bots are related to the “integrity” of the game AND goldselling. I made this sentence xtra short for you, so your 3 sec atttentionwindow can follow.
Oh you welcome
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Why are you missing that the boost is a 1x only purchase?
I agree bots are an issue in classic, but that requires action from blizz. The boost isn’t going to change that situation.
Dude, the amount of ingame mails I get for reporting bots and STILL you see them everywhere makes me sad :’(
Iam honestly glad to see common ground here. You know - i dont want that to become an even bigger problem. Imagine reporting someone who ACTUALLY get banned for botting, he/she will just create a new acc and boost a new one. Reporting them in TBC with the boost will make allmost no difference. The last thing we have against that infestation will be gone.
The long and for you “boring” posts were an attempt to understand in how big this problem can be in tbc. But at the end there are too manny missing factors to say for sure, but one thing iam sure.
Boosting will make botting worse, maybe not for the gold or maybe not the inflation, but for the banning part.
I think we have more common ground than you might think 
The point im trying to make is that I see the boost as a positive thing to bring more people to the game. I can see why people are afraid of the botting in relation to the boost.
I just think the positives outweigh the negatives, but I guess this is where we fall on either side of the fence.
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