The boost and MTX’s are going to kill the soul of Classic. Stop the boost and the extra cosmetics!
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Sorry to break it to you, but thats allrdy happend.
WoW Vanilla community was vastly different than Classic community.
No it won’t. It will change how the community interracts with the game and with eachother.
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And water is wet.
What’s your point? That we can throw all our trash into the ocean because some people did it already?
Why are you only able think in black and white? What about nuance?
Semantics. In the end, it will change the game. By changing the community, the way it is played or whatever. It may not change the code (well… it actually does, if you want to be pedantic) but it will change the game.
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What soul exactly?it was killed when they decided to make it on latest patch instead of progressing it with phases
I just gave you my point, it’s your fault if you failed to understand it.
The nuance is how different we engaged with the game back then compared to now.
It’s been discussed to death on this very forum too many times. I.e World buff meta, warrior meta, speedruns, economy and so on.
The point is : we the players ultimatly decide how to interract with the game not the other way around.
The game have changed some technical aspects, but pretty much stayed true to it’s original patch.
The only main difference is that Classic players didn’t have to suffer 2 years of severe bugs, skuffed talents, reworked talents and more like in the original release.
Most of the comunity was allready changed, their entire view have been altered through time and experience. It’s a natural result.
THESE DIRTY PEOPLE ARE RUINING THE GAME! These American just want the money tthey grind the player like a ground beef for the farm to grow the pig fat they get fat and the fat none of the players, remmevber when wow playters known for fat? not anymore, blizz suck the money for food for game
and therefore is why I’m in favour of changes that make the game experience more similar to the one that people would have had back in the day by accounting for modern players. The boost is not one of those changes.
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It’s more of a service than change tbh, but I know your stance on this subject.
So your point actually WAS that doing more damage is fine, after some damage was done already? What kind of logic is that? Either it’s outright stupid, or a surrender-mentality. And that is not an insult. Because it’s either stupid because it wasn’t thought through very well, or it’s a surrender mentality, because you go with the logic of “What’s the point? It’s already lost.”
That’s not what I would call nuance. But not irrelevant to the topic either.
Yes, it is affected by the way we engage with the game. But it is also affected by the way others and who interacts with the game.
The Boost is something that brings in a different mindset. A mindset that will then also affect the game. And this mindset is that of the instant-gratification-gamer that retail is catering to.
Some will argue that this type of player is already in the game. And they would be right. But this is where nuance comes in again. It’s not necessary to have 0 of them. What’s important is that they only make up a small part of the community, so the mindset isn’t the new normal for the game. And I predict, that the boost is the first step in a direction that will do that, by catering to this mindset. And once this mindset has taken over we get WoW-Tokens, Item-Shops, Level-boost to max, Name- and Racechange, unlimited level boosts, dungeon finder… because those are all things that appeal to this mindset.
Changes like bugfixes and useless or Overpowered talents do not appeal to this mindset. That’s why I see a difference there too.
And that is a reason to change it more… how? This is still the ocean argument. We already polluted the oceans, so why not do it some more?
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Give people a taste of convenience and they will want more. The standards for what is accepted will get moved more and more. If the players decided which changes would happen to the game, they’d want all sorts of conveninces to make their in-game life easier for themselves. Old Blizzard told them no repeatedly because the players don’t always know what’s best for themselves. They think they do, but they don’t.
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Boosting is the absolute definition of pay-to-win.
Skip all that content? That’s called ‘winning’ 60 levels with just the swipe of a credit card and ka-ching! Welcome to the game you special special winners, you earned it.
I didn’t think they’d go this far in adding all these TBC plastic baby toys for the low low price of 70 dollar. Oh how Blizzard has so easily won this battle-- against the amazingly weak minded playerbase “Oh look some shiny things I can ‘earn’ by paying huge sums of money for.”
That stupid Warpstalker mount does not in fact fit in with the TBC aesthetic, and yes I mean the alleged TBC styled one. So already my immersion and sense of authenticity is compromised. Yea, let’s just imagine going into Shattrath and seeing hundred clones of the mount owned by all the proud hard working specials who ‘won’ it. You know who I mean, those people who burned half the Classic game and you’ll never see again in a couple of months “Uuuh the raiding is so EASY. This game is garbage!”
Wonder if they’ll ruin Classic vanilla also. I’m sure they’re rubbing their greasy mitts right now over how they might do that.
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I’m sure a major part of their plan with Classic was to eventually try and erode the integrity of the playerbase and convert them into good Retail whales.
Whatever, I just wish they’d leave Classic alone and make some changes to Retail to make THAT appeal more to Classic players. As in optional modes or server types that are right for their tastes.
It is doomed to fail anyway because eventually we’ll end up asking for a true Classic again once the first Classic has been utterly ruined.
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Stop the Boost… Decreases the clone price and clears the Deluxe Pay to Win Box. With the level 40 100% mount
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Well now we know why their revenue went up despite them losing players.
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The absolutely ludicrous price of the boost might desuade a lot of people buying it. Hopefully they shot themselves in the foot. As for the £70 TBC bundle… Jesus Christ.
£35 for a clone to a dead server lmaoooo
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You’d be suprised how pathetic blizzard shills are my friend and how deep the pockets of a whale go…
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Correct. Not that the boost evangelists and retailers will ever accept this.
I have a goal
Obstacles prevent that goal.
I overcome those obstacles.
I achieve that goal.
Thus I have won.
If my goal is beat the Protoss campaign in Starcraft, and I do so - I have won.
If my goal is to beat my previous record for running around a field in five minutes, and I do so in four minutes and 58 seconds, then I have won.
If a Gnoll attacks me in WoW, and I defeat that Gnoll, then I have won.
If my goal is to reach level 58 in a videogame, and I achieve that goal, then I have won.
If I pay a friend to complete the Protoss campaign, buy steroids to boost my speed, pay a botting service to kill the gnoll, or use a level boost then I have paid to win. The logic is irrefutable.
I never doubted it for a moment. Unfortunately we’re caught in an addiction loop. We’re addicted to WoW and it would take something massive to force us to break that addiction. What they are doing is basically boiling a frog.
You can keep an addict hooked and gradually increase the price of his fix by a few pence each week, and he’ll reluctantly continue to buy the fix.
You can keep a gamer hooked by gradually adding small negative changes over time. They’ll reluctantly continue to pay the sub because 'it’s only a single store mount’, and ‘the boost won’t affect me’.
Eventually the WoW tokens will make an appearance. It’s inevitable.
What Blizzardivision are doing is shoddy, grubby, underhanded and their focus is not on the long-term benefits of the game, but rather on short-term profit; which I guess mirrors the players who suck up short-term instant gratification in the same manner.
Maybe we deserve each other?
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I agree but there is a certain limit to this. That is how human psychology works with apathetic situations. Things add up over time and at one point you just quit without even making a fuss.
Anger is actually an outcome of affection and care. After anger comes boredom and confusion. And then the third stage is apathy and insensitivity.
This happened in all my love relationships in the past. When I was angry of what my partner did at first, I reacted, told her(them) to not do it, to argue with them to not do it, etc. Then at some point, I stopped arguing or talking about it. Then one day, when they did it, I took my stuff and left without even saying anything about it.
Same thing with wow retail: I was furious when they implemented level boosts in WoD prepatch, I argued with hundreds of snowflakes on forums/reddit/social media. Then when they kept introducing more and more and more paid services. I stopped arguing so much about them because I knew that this company sucks and the game is beyond repair. I tried to find a way to waste my time in the game - like collecting mounts/achievements and multiboxing etc. because otherwise I knew I was about to quit the game. Then they became boring as well because none of them are satisfying enough. Then after a while, I just cancelled all my subs without even saying a word.
My friends told me that I am a boomer now, I got old, it is just nostalgia etc. But I thought that I wasn’t the issue. The issue was the game. Then classic came out. I nolifed it over 2 years, had great fun, was motivated and hyped to my bones about TBC, I was rocking and rolling. I bought meself a pack of beers, rolled some cigs, had some chips, I was excited for the Blizzcon, and then they made the boost announcement.
And at this point, I find myself at the same exact point where I was angry and arguing with all the protozoans on the internet as I did during WoD launch for level boosts. History sadly just repeated itself.
First 2 minutes of this video is basically me:
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Funny video. Didn’t expect to be in it either. Pretty cool.
Oh boy. People pay gold for boost in-game, spamming LFG channel as if it is trade chat. The Blizzard service is no that different.