Vanilla balanced? Just check the list of defunct specs lol
to respec from a spec you often hated in PvP to a spec you often hated in PVE where in Vanilla you only had to play the spec you hated in PVE.
guess u didnt play vanilla then
Fury Warrior
Combat Rogue
Straight Arcane
Succu Soulfire Meme against People who dont use Ingi…there are so many speccs in classic what are really bad against “good” people u can play double pom in tbc too but its not as good as same goes with classic.
TBC has other Problems the nerfed Contend but idm “hard” contend if i would play WoW for Hard contend i would go BFA not Classic
What a load of rubbish.
I could sign that. My thought exactly.
And I’ll one you up, Blizz is aiming for an alternating schedule for the next 4 years. Always releasing in 3rd or 4th quarter.
(BfA)
(Classic)
-you are here
Shadowlands - will be Warlords levels of bad
TBC-C
Another bait race and another bait class and another insane Horde Warchief the expansion - will fail spectacularly
WotLK-C
With Diablo 4 somewhere in there, which will fail spectacularly as well and will be the last PC release of the Blizzard division of Activision which will then release a few mobile games to further milk the brands and be forever forgotten.
As long as the market stays stagnant as it is, I don’t see WoW or Blizzard in general falling out completely. If you look at the most played online games, such as LoL or CoD etc., they’re definitely NOT MMORPG replacements. The people who play Classic or Retail because they want to play an MMORPG are not going away anytime soon.
And before you claim that this or that coming MMORPG will be the “WoW killer”… we’ve been hearing about those since 2006. They’ve all failed so far. I’ll believe it when I see it.
“The small vocal community” That’s what they called the people that wanted classic. If we have TBC server I will play on them and I am not the only one. Have a good day.
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I agree with you yet again, there will never be a “wow killer” MMO.
But bad retail expansions are the true “wow killer”. Every subpar expension brings with it a significant drop in subscribers that are never recovered in their majority.
Last numbers with some source behind them were 1.3 million in early BfA and several hundred thousand in classic based on unofficial server population counts.
Classic bleeds players, everyone knows that. By the time Phase 6 was around for 6 months, there will be hardly anyone left.
Maybe, just maybe, TBC can attract as many people a Classic launch. But probably not. And people will bleed from there. WotlK, if it ever happens, will again match TBC as best case scenario.
Lets face it, people who like TBC or WotLK came to try/play Classic in theit vast majority. But it wont happen the other way around, people who only care for Classic won’t even touch TBC and WotLK. In reality, those expansion re-releases will never match Classic. Ever.
Now if you add a huge drop in subs after Shadowlands turns out to be another WoD. And again if the next one is even worse? If BfA and Reforged and P2 and P3 releases are to be a measure of Blizz competence, can you imagine the crapshow that Shadowlands and next expo will be? No wonder ALL old Blizzard left.
I for one am never buying anything EVER again from Actiblizz after what they did to my Warcraft 3 and TFT. I never so much as looked at Reforged webpage or launcher tab, yet now my warcraft 3 folder is gone, and apparently I own a version of Reforged with badly color filtered old graphics. If only I was strong enough to stop paying the wow sub. But I wanna kill KT properly before I die. And KJ. I MAY even stick around for Algalon. I did kill Arthas properly, so I won’t have to suffer through the Argent Tournament and introduction of LFD again, thank the Gods.
The best and only thing blizz can do to keep getting that filthy 13eur from me is release TBC and WotLK to the best of their ability. Me and many others I assume.
Anyway sorry for the rant. Did it mostly to formulate my own thoughts, sorry for using a reply to you for it.
Yeah I get what you mean. Though, at least in WoW’s case, a major part of why the game can’t recover sub losses is simply that the game is too old. Playing through the game as a new player starting from lvl 1 feels like a bloated, disjointed mess. Maybe it’s a bit of a joke, but levelling from lvl 1 to 80 as Horde, I’ve gone through at least 3 different Horde Warchiefs over less than a week of gameplay 
What Blizz should have done from the start, IMO, is either forego this heavily story-driven model OR actually update the world from the bottom up every time to give the levelling experience (and the gameplay experience in general) some semblance of coherence. Something like the Cataclysm reset, basically, but on every expansion. Maybe that was never feasible to begin with, I’ll admit. But the point is, the game as it is IMO isn’t going to capture in most players the same way Vanilla did and Classic still can.
Up until TBC and maybe WotLK, the journey sorta made sense. I’m saying “maybe” WotLK because the TBC detour does feel a bit out of place in the progression from 1 to 80, but the game still makes some faint efforts in WotLK to call back to TBC every now and then so I’ll give it a pass. But right now, the game has simply gone too far. There’s too much lore, too many zones, too much “stuff”. IMO it was the setting, not the classes, that needed some pruning - much like, say, Magic the Gathering “resetted” its lore somewhere in the early 2000s and went with a seasonal model since then.
Bottom line is, I hope that they come up with something better than expansions (read: not Shadowlands or Classic+) somewhere down the line before the legacy movement dies out, too, and Retail with it. Because I doubt Classic Cataclysm would work
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Hey all!
Disclaimer: I ll write from a personal perspective so if u r not feeling the same way it’s ok to not relate. xD
Feel… feeling… Yeap I think that’s the right one here . Imho MMOs are a journey that the road has a) it’s ups and downs ,b) where u strive for self/your character’s progression and c) u meet new & nteresting companions/players along the way to enjoy the journey with them.
Meaning a) hard to achieve content , b) meaningful abilities u bring to your group (spec/class role) and not jack of old trades talents and c) need of grouping to achieve specific Qs or tasks
Classic has modifiers and resistances that u don’t know , items u have to find their use , quests you need to explore . It also promotes abilities and unique characteristics of each class and of course little to no content is doable solo . That was the case in 2004 though !! Now everything is known plus the fact that players are more let’s say “educated” in how the game should be played.
Don’t get me wrong I 'm still having a great time with classic and sure as hell gonna have my Paladin as a Tank in TBC continuing my sub hands down but (and there is always a but) is that what I really want? The answer is no . Reason being that the content is known . Best builds , compositions , strategies are known .
Also it’s an RPG so these role playing elements are important and do really matter for me . If u “steal” from the BRD vault then a special group is gonna appear in the taverns exit (like guards and stuff). And for us to able to open the vault we need to gather the info and locate the NPC .This is probably trivial to many but still gets me excited and I FEEL that my character is part of the story . This moments that only classic WoW has delivered is why I really enjoy and the game FEELS like it has soul! The soul of many ppl gathered to deliver a story… a game !!
If u ask me I would say I want TBC and of course classic is a gem of its own!! I don’t like the fact that everything is known and that u can’t be a pioneer in any aspect of the game though.
I want a great retail with the best of elements classic TBC and WotLK have . Cause I want to explore new things ! Unfortunately the company is not what it used to be and many ppl from the glorious past have gone . I don’t have expectations that something is going to change in shadowlands so Yeap I would say TBC and WotLK are what I ll “realistically” want from WoW (as I await baldur’s gate 3 to feel the RPG journey) .
It’s sad how the mighty have fallen but hope will carry is on her wings for the better days that will follow . Cheers all and don’t forget GG HF xD
Warmane had 14 av’s going on at the same time and tons of other bg’s.
You had av queues 24/7 literally any time of the day
There were over 70-100 people around battlemasters in literally every single city.
When they added custom new year event,where you had to go around the world and kill bosses for BOJ,there were 3-4 full raids on both sides per one damn zone.
People who never played on outland warmane during those times can never begin to imagine how epic server was,before it got pooped on.
And warmane isn’t the only server that was popular.
There were tons of servers since first private server.
Wow crack was first server with population over 10 k on all 3 realms they had.
Alpha wow after that,with 4 k players
Warmane outland had 17 k players
People want proper TBC server because there’s none atm,and probably won’t be anymore because people are praying for Blizzard’s 2.4.3
Let me assure you,every single realm would be full,with insane queue.
TBC was massive time investment.People don’t want to do that on private servers anymore,because they are sick of servers shuting down after one or two years.
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I liked TBC
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Something people conveniently forget is also the massive damage done to the TBC private server scene in the mid 10s by the scam named Corecraft
Prot paladin isn’t viable in classic
That is my only arguement for BC servers
I don’t care what the OP or others consider failed or boring, I just want to relive the old viable prot paladin
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BC in August 2021 confirmed!
what are you talking about ? many love TBC , and there is enough population for it
I remember class balance in TBC was horrible it was in my opinion the worst decision ever by Blizzard to try and force arena as an Esport at the time, balancing certain healing classes like Disc Priests to be super overpowered healing tanks.
I’m really not interested in TBC
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Reminder -> no tbc
Thank god you’re alive, I was afraid you’d disappear before Blizzcon, considering all warcraftlogs has for you is one singular Onyxia run several months ago^^
EDIT: By the way, Torima, you might want to read this if you have some time: Why people say TBC has less community building than Classic?
Just in case you need to be explained why you’re wrong a bit more in detail
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Only a big community no would stop Tbc, it’s not forthcoming so the question is when and how, not if.
TBC is best xpac hands down!