I could not care any less which way is the fastest or the most efficient way. Even if wow’s story is not that great i still like doing story quests over boring spreadsheet gameplay of pressing buttons and being teleported to some place that i don’t even know where it is in the world.
Do you have a thing against anyone being able to think critically about something which you cannot or do not think critically about?
Do you also have a thing where you try to make a mockery of anyone who disagrees with you because you are unable to understand why they disagree?
We are not talking about other games here, especially not “Monopoly”. Yet in your mind anyone saying that they “would prefer for Blizzard to not bind every aspect of the game to quests and rep gains” is comparable to a 4 year old child throwing chips around a board-game and declaring that they win.
You sound like a Conservative Politician who cannot win an argument so you instead try to assassinate the character &/or the credibility of your opponent.
What you are doing could easily be classed as trolling.
Don’t try to belittle or undermine people simply because you disagree with them. Instead, just say that you disagree and why you do. It isn’t hard.
Ok, I will paraphrase…
Hey guys all this content I’m not doing sure is boring!
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P.S: How’s that scroll finger doing boys?
shut up dumbass
torghast and the maw are absolutely horrible and unfun to play.
And even the zones dont get used properly for the leveling experience/story.
And the story wich is there is timegated to the extreme behind covenant renown and having to wait weeks for freeing another char in torghast.
At this point shadowlands seems alot like like nazjatar , mechagon and uldum/the vale. It basicly looks like World of world quest atm.
the dungeons and raid seem fine but there is a limit to how many times you can run it over and over again before going insane. The rpg part of mmorpg is growing smaller each expansion. They might as well relable it to mmo dungeoncrawler like diablo
i leveled a chacther 50-60 i did all quests even all side quests then i hitted 60 i did all dailyes in all zones afther that i stoped playing SL was so booring …
ifi gettigna other level 60 i use boost level 60 to skip touse booring leveling quests …
You are bashing and mocking a game and a genre that is based around questing.
Its not me that needs to change the way of thinking.
You want this game to be something its not, and are claiming the developers arent keeping your “needs” in mind.
And even moreso are complaining they designed a game with quests even tho according to you the quests have no place in this game and shouldnt be around.
And you also claim Blizzard is “making” you complete quests to play this game and you dont want to do so.
Yet to some degree you have to complete quests to play this game.
So my analogies about studies or other games are adequate.
Everything we do have some sort of “dictated activities” and thats simply part of life or games.
Monopoly isnt a free for all, think of your own rules, the creators made it with a specific playstyle in mind, just as much as Blizzard created World of Warcraft and made it an mmorpg with quests like every other mmorpg out there.
It isnt trolling, simply asking why certain aspects are so hard to understand and how you deal with life.
Since so many things are “dictated” one way or another.
And its not belittling or undermining anyone, you are the one throwing out nonsense in this thread and claiming you did “review” a game even tho you did nothing else than bash the things you dislike.
Which isnt a review in any shape or form.
Not sure what you are trying with that sentence.
I never claimed i like all aspects of this game, and it would be foolish of anyone to assume anyone enjoys all aspects of the game.
But your “issues” are a major part of the genre of game WoW is part of.
If you cant deal with the major philosophy behind a game you are playing, the genre simply isnt for you.
I started to dislike pvp over the years in WoW, however the game still holds other areas of gameplay i enjoy.
I could have made a post like you did, complain a bunch about 1 aspect of the game i dont like and quit over it.
And the reactions on that topic would be similar as the ones you see here:
If you dont enjoy pvp, do something else in the game, and if you cant find anything else to do in the game, its time to quit.
So its simple logic, you either embrace questing is a major part of any rpg and deal with it, or you pick up another game where you never have to quest and can just play it no matter what.
You can say it as politely as you like, but you are still telling someone to quit the game.
Look, if you don’t like PvP, then you don’t have to PvP at all.
If you don’t like to raid, you don’t have to. If you don’t like dungeons, then “don’t do them” is all anyone would ever say to you and that is fine.
But when someone comes along and says “I can’t stand being FORCED to do these eye wateringly boring quests”, the only response that is given to them is “Well quit the game then!” Which I find completely unacceptable.
You did not have to do quests at one point. “Just don’t do them” was the case.
But then you were forced to do the quests in order to fly, else you would not enjoy the beauty of WoW from the sky. You would miss out on a good part of the game.
Now, you are FORCED to do an overbearing amount of quests, in order to get Legendary grade items, which you NEED in order to do high end raiding/PvP/dungeons. You are also FORCED to do those quests in order to be able to fly, even if they do not call it “Pathfinder” this time. We even have to do quests to unlock POWERFUL SPELLS, which should by default be on the talent tree! The talent tree which they are afraid to make changes to after how many people complained about them changing it before.
So, the fact is, you are forced to do this part of the game, (quests) simply because some stubborn folks believe that “RPG” means “You must do quests or you should quit the game, don’t even bother to say anything about it, just F-right off!”
Yes, well I am here, and I am saying something about it. No matter how much you pretty your words up, I will not accept this argument that “it is an RPG”. I find it unacceptable, because I started playing this game when you were not forced to do any part of it in order to enjoy the other parts of it.
It has absolutely nothing to do with genre. And like I said, yes I did study games development, and yes I did write a report on game genres which I earned Merits and Distinctions on. So you don’t have to attempt to educate me here.
It has nothing to do with Genre it has everything to do with POOR DEVELOPMENT CHOICES! Which divide the community and make quest lovers think that it is ok to tell everyone else to quit the game.
@mod, Why has the post by Donvictus not been removed?
worst-of-warcraft-shadowlands-review/224586/127
Sure as anything, if I spammed the forums like that I would be banned.
@everyone else who disagrees with me, stop trying to turn this topic into an argument in order to try and get the topic closed. That is not acceptable either.
Thanks.
Legionaries aren’t locked behind quests except the one where you are introduced to the way to making them. You can do at your own pace.
And Flight being behind renown rather than rep is a good thing - you can do the renown quests in less than an hour.
The Basic building block of any RPG wether online or board game or pen and paper is to do QUESTS to move forwards.
Damae is not trolling you, he is simply attempting to point out the flaw in your argument. that you cannot understand or see that is on you I’m afraid
And when was that?
I needed to quest to get from lvl 1 to lvl 60 in Vanilla.
I quested even more from 60 to 70 in tbc.
Then, i quested a lot from 70 to 80, with even more quests at max level with dailies at argent tournament (yes optional but still)
And the list goes on.
Nobody is forcing you.
Its really simple, if you dont like questing, and you decide not to do so, you dont get to fly.
Legendaries dont require any quest after the initial questline, which you have to do anyway to unlock Torghast to be able to craft said legendaries anyway.
Callings from covenants? 100% optional
Covenant story quest line? 100% optional, since its the story broken down in small parts and has no player power attached to it.
Renown quests? 100% optional, there is a catch up mechanic coming from m+ / raids etc.
The only “required bit” of questing is to level up, after you hit lvl 60, you dont have to touch any quest ever again.
Well, its funny how if you “know” about this, your review never was a review.
Nor does it tell me anything about your logic and how you think.
I can get a grade in anything and still be 100% wrong on the topic.
Questing is part of RPG games and always has been. Whether you like it or not.
Dont post in a general discussion forum if you want a personal echo chamber and only hear: you are 100% right on this.
This is a new trend on these forums, here ill post my “feedback” but i dont want to hear counter arguments or being told it can be viewed from another direction.
I am not saying that they should remove quests from the game, am i?
Not at all.
So, this confusion is not on my part at all. Contrary to what you and Xandrolar may believe.
I am saying that in this particular game, nobody should be forced to do the quests. Because at one point, we were not forced to do them.
You say nobody is forcing us, but yes we are forced, since 90% of the end game has been gated behind the quests. If we want to enjoy the rest of the game then we must do the quests.
I don’t expect everyone to agree with me. Some people have, and some have not. That’s cool.
What I don’t expect is to be constantly told that I should quit the game. For one thing it is rude to tell other people what to do. For another thing it can only be seen as trolling, and it is caused by the divisive way the current developers are bending the game. That is the only trend I am seeing when I browse these message boards. A toxic attitude towards anyone who says anything critical about the game.
What part is gated behind quests?
Give us some examples, i literally listed everything that is optional and you keep quoting other parts to keep up your “argument”
So here is the list again:
All 100% optional:
- Renown quests
- Maw daily/weekly quests
- Callings from Covenants
- Covenant campaign
- World quests
- Weekly Dungeon Quests from Oribos
- Weekly Torghast quests (yes, you wont get acces to Twisting Corridors, but thats a choice)
- Weekly PVP quests
And i can go on, but whats the point?
Leveling can be done entirely from lvl 1 to 60 by spamming dungeons, although questing is vastly superior.
So you have to quest to reach a level suitable for endgame, after that nothing is mandatory.
And i never claimed such a thing, you are the one claiming quests arent part of an rpg and your game design study “supports” that claim according to you.
You were really disgruntled with the game and say it doesnt work for you anymore in the current form, the only reasonable answer is: if you dont enjoy something, consider quitting.
If a friend of mine tells me; i dont like my job, i would advice him aswell to consider quitting said job and find something he enjoys.
Its not trolling at all.
If anyone is trolling, it is you. Completely ignoring the “major part” of my earlier reply and just rant on everything is locked behind quests.
Even tho i told you nothing really is.
No, bringing a different view than anyone posting critique isnt toxic.
Merely pointing out a different view of the poster or replying with useful feedback towards their issue.
And yes, telling you to quit might not be “valuable” feedback, but its just the reality.
A lot of people come and complain to these forums and say: i will finally quit this game over x because i cant stand it.
But yet they keep on playing / replying here for months.
And probably still play, they just needed to vent their “aggression”
Skipping over the initial question again and accusing me of trolling.
So please, answer my question:
And please provide us multiple examples where “your endgame” is locked behind quests.
They even copied RoS into Torghast.
You have listed the examples, and you claim these things are “optional” but they are not, because if you do not do the repeatable things especially, as regularly as they become available, then your progress is greatly hindered in other parts of the game.
Now I am done speaking with you. Thanks, bye!
Renown has a catch up mechanic from M+ and raids.
Callings give a gold reward. And rarely give a conduit or piece of gear.
Maw rep gives Torghast bonuses which are nice to have but not necessary.
Covenant Campaign holds no player power.
A guildie did hit lvl 60 the other day, and just 5 hours later he was already at Renown lvl 10, without even touching the major quest for renown.
I easily run heroic / mythic / mythic+ dungeons or even join raids on any char regardless of renown lvl or covenant campaing status.
So please, you started a thread about everything being locked behind quests and you cant cope with it, yet when asked about it, you accuse me of trolling, and when asked multiple times about what is actually behind quests you leave the thread?
Amazing. Good job.
And i still didnt read what it is, you cant do in the game if you dont touch the quests at all.
Good for them, I still haven’t gotten renown, because after so many quests I have to turn the game off, it is sickening for me.
I didn’t leave the topic, I am just done with speaking with you… for the second time.
You are trolling the topic and taking over it, and I find that unacceptable. I would have been banned for the same action.
And you can gain renown without ever touching the major quests to gain renown.
So please, what do you want to do in the game and is locked behind quests?
I still want an answer.
Nothing is “blocked” behind Renown.
Not LFR,
Not HC dungeons
Not Arena
Etc etc.
So please, what is it you want to do and how are the optional quests stopping you?