Blizzard is a multi billion dollar company who I pay to use it’s service, of course I can be critical of it.
You on the other hand resort to personal attacks on an individual who you know nothing about. This has shown your level of being able to debate a topic, so i’ll just leave it there 
Also the matter that it is the games forum literally meant as platform for people to express their opinions and thoughts of the game of any kind. Criticizing peoples opinions or trying to tell others what type of opinions they should have on the game on their personal level is… well, lets just say I would not be unwise enough to make topics like this to criticize peoples opinions of the game, some are negative some are positive, who is the op to tell others what they are allowed to think of the game. But the whole post itself were formed like an reaction bait and taunt to all who are not happy with some aspects of the game so, that is bit negative way in itself to start an conversation imo, not so positive. Also it is weekend and we know what that means in forum.
This argument that “subscription model is outdated” is kinda flawed as the f2p model also has issues that im 100% happy to not deal with. If we didn’t pay sub then we’d be paying for content or cosmetics that are already accessible in the game
Sadly blizzard doesn’t really help with the argument however as they have consistently been pushing for real money sales for in game stuff so im not sure the argument really holds well. Feels a bit like they get the best of both worlds with real money purchases of mounts/cosmetics that cant be obtained otherwise while also getting the monthly sub.
I kinda wish we just had one or the other personally, i dislike items i cant obtain in the game by playing being in a game i already pay for.
Id hate to see f2p become the model, that shop would have to milk a lot to adapt to free play without hitting on quality im sure
You’re not allowed to like “current thing”!
This happens with every good and popular game.
It’s a really good sign if you ask me.
I didn’t realise they were forcing you to play their game. How exactly are they doing that?
Thankfully you’re massively outnumbered by the vast majority who actually enjoy retail.
Do you have stats for these claims? I see alot of complaints and wishes for improvements in many aspects of the game, cant make such bold statements as claim them as majority out of my personal pov tho which you shouldnt do either as it would be false statement.
Seems to be plenty of bugs and good reasons for complain in retail since sl - df - tww by the looks of things, and what better way to begin the process of get something changed is to pointing out the flaws or matters that should be improved, and what better place to do it than the platform of the video game of which people have something to comment about.
this. 'nuff said.
It’s quite a solid estimation that the average player enjoys retail; otherwise they wouldn’t be subscribed…and the sub levels have leveled out during the past years…
That people complain or share ideas of improvements…it says nada. Different people, different opinions. And we have like 5-7M of those…
What sentiment represents the majority of those, who knows. But it’s as bold of a claim to make implying that the majority does -not- like retail.
The vocal minority on the forums are far outweighed by the silent majority not on the forums.
That depends on the degree to which the forum is representative of the playerbase as a whole.
I’d say the forum skews more negative than the playerbase as a whole, because players are more likely to voice criticism than praise, but less so than it would have in the past, by virtue of the playerbase being more of a uniform size these days, consisting increasingly of veteran players. And also by virtue of social media being more connected in general - the popular sentiments found on one social media tend to reverberate in other social media.
I also think the degree to which Blizzard are responding to hot topics on social media is indicative that it is representative of the playerbase to a degree that is not insignificant.
I would also say that unlike 20 years ago, it is hard to imagine that the broader playerbase is entirely disconnected from social media or any other kind of interaction with WoW outside of playing the game itself.
So this notion of a vocal minority existing on the forums, and by extension social media, seems increasingly far-fetched to me.
I’d say the social media discourse about WoW is fairly representative of the broader playerbase these day, by virtue of the playerbase being so uniform, social media being so connected, and Blizzard being so responsive.
One of the biggest issues is that blizzard have got lazy and as fans we let it slide for too long that short of a massive overhaul (which they say they are) it won’t change.
M+ came out and let blizzard get away with 0 new content just using old content to keep you busy on a sliding scale of difficulty. They make 5/6 affixes and then ship it out. Due to this they make so little effort in the open world as majority of players “don’t do it”, well they don’t now cause it’s not worth it, just do a +10/15/whatever number is next and move on. Gear is given too freely, and people moan it’s too easy I’m done with it, but if it takes 3 weeks to get 1 new upgrade people moan it’s too slow it’s not fair that I have to play so much.
Alot of what people moan about is community culture of players, not the game itself. Ilvl required is community, achis required is community, content release dates are due to player objections. They don’t want you to have nothing to do so they time gate it, but you moan that they don’t let you rush it.
The only logical answer is to add more content to allow people to play at their own rate and STILL not be done with progressing, but, until people stop eating what’s on the plate blizzard will not change the menu.
There is a huge difference between the general attitude towards the game on social media (from what I have experienced) compared to the forums though.
The forum is where people come to bash the game for some reason, but still continue to pay and play it anyway. Social media comments tend to be a lot more positive. Then there are the many people that play the game and never comment about it at all because they just don’t care to talk about it online, and I dare say that they are most likely just enjoying the game.
Spend enough time playing it and you will find out why.
What social media do you think of that is significantly different in sentiment compared to the forums?
Do you have any evidence of that?
I’d say that given how WoW has 5-7 million players (presumably, by last count) and a pretty active social media presence in general, that the social media presence of WoW players is fairly high.
Both Twitter and Facebook, along with YouTube comments in my experience. They might not all be positive, but a lot more positive than the general forum dweller.
Really? Blizzard’s videos tend to get absolutely slaughtered on YouTube to the degree where they re-upload them just to get rid of the poor like/dislike ratio.
I wouldn’t say twitter is any better when it comes to hot topics. The Brontosaur mount cost got as much ridicule - if not more - on twitter than it got here. The meme focus of twitter tends to make it more of a knee-jerk reaction place and less of a thoughtful and measured outlet.
I don’t know about facebook. I have never really checked that out.
But between the forums, YouTube, and twitter, I’d say the forums tend to lean more positive, and I think part of the reason why is because it’s only for active WoW subscribers, so you do actually only get the active players posting here (who by virtue of still playing the game are going to view it more favorable). On other social media you have a lot of commentary from ex-WoW players and general gamers who’ll typically skew more negative.
So disagree, not my experience at all.
Random guy in internet make claim from personal pov that vast majority have some opinion. I want stats for such claim or it remains just as one guys opinion. Broad statements like this are moot without proof and the person who makes the claim are responsible to provide it or accept that some might come point out error on the said broad generalized statement.
Greatest example is League of Legends, it’s most successful game ever made (revenue wise) and it’s free to play. I don’t see why a free WoW with actually good cosmetics on the shop would be worse than what we have now, especially considering most people care a lot of character appearance, mounts, etc.
I think it would be a very successful model for WoW and there is no reason to think game quality would go lower, unfortunately blizzard is afraid of changes and they aren’t desperate enough to be willing to change. Yet.
Sorry but this is very silly, not sure why you assume the word “forcing” is like I have a guy pointing me with a gun telling me to do something against my will.
They force me to pay if I wanna play their game because no sub=can’t even log in your character, I think it’s easy enough to understand.