No the problem is time spent vrs the ratio of loot… are you dumb?
NO EXPANSION HAS EVER BEEN THIS HARSH ON LOOT
I spend hours and hours for literally nothing… why bother playing after i get my 10+ key and clear raid?
Its not fun at all and even worse for alts…
Okay i thought people were exaggerating with this loot thing, but i pretty much raped content the past 3 days and didn’t get a single drop!
What exactly did they do? do they want people to depend on the vault or what’s the game plan here?
coz i’ll just settle for doing one mythic per week = less play time which eventually leads to the addiction fading aaaaand hello unsub-ing for another 5 and a half years.
We are getting enough loot to gear up and progress so there is no issue with the system itself.
The thing is that people don’t like getting less so they make BS excused to blame the system so they can get more 
Human greed and entitlement are the issues NOT the current loot system and if anything current system finally made loot desired and receiving it exciting which are all good things.
So? Things change. Deal with it.
YOU maybe are… not everyone
I cleared 10/10 norm 5/10 HC 10 M+ and got 1 drop this week that wasnt even an ilevel increase!
HOW IS THIS PROGRESSION?
It’s funny how you nitpicked your somewhat unlucky raid week and don’t even mention all other loot possibilities during that week just to claim that you can’t progress and the loot system is bad…
…what a troll 
You dont even play the game…
ANYONE playing the game will agree the loot system is horrible right now…
Only people happy with loot is people who literally dont work and spend 24/7 playing the game because thats the only way to get loot
RNG is RNG this is beyond RNG… ive played wow since release, longer than you and NEVER has the game been this bad at getting loot.
I do? Wtf is this argument even lol
Not even remotely true. If even 10% of the player base came to complain about the loot system we would see game chat being flooded with complaints and forums would crash from an influx of posts but all we see is barely anyone mentioning it in game and like under 1k people on the forum who actually complain lol
Your “anyone” is like 1-2% at best of the entire playerbase 
MMORPG’s require a lot of time and effort so your complaint is stupid
Go play Singleplayer RPGs and stop trying to change MMORPG into some rush hours sprint 
No, RNG is RNG regardless of how often something drops. Loots is simply rare as it should be and if you want loot shover go play different MMO/game.
Might not play to grind, but I don’t play for loot either. Sure, I’d like to get rid of my ilvl 164 trinket, but I run raids and dungeons for fun, and wasn’t really aware of this loot change until recently. Didn’t really feel affected by it, as loot isn’t my motivation to play. I’m 35 years old.
I have been made aware many are motivated by loot. I’m just not one of them, and should probably be happy I’m not.
I do 10 mythic+ a week at the highest level I can and call it a day.
The thought of running another DoS on the 5% chance i will a) get any loot and b) get the 1 item I actually want is too much to bear.
I can play around 6-8 hours a day these days. I could only get my DK to 200 ilvl. Loot is really scarce. If it stands to be this scarce, then at least give us the power to choose what item we want from a boss when we get a drop. I am so tired of running 6-8 dungeons to only get a duplicate when I need something else from that dungeon. If it goes like this, I can back the decision of lowering the loot. Otherwise, it is really boring.
We need Justice and Valor back, let Justice work like honor and just cap Valor like with conquest and everything will be fine.
It’s not true for WoD. WoD warforges were capped.
Here’s a fun little side effect that I wasn’t expecting: I abandoned a key for the first time since M+ was introduced. Someone made one mistake and the strat was scuffed so we decided as a group to abandon it since finishing it would have been essentially worthless.
I feel like this is going to be a more common occurrence now that it’s even less rewarding.
one reason is also that m10s just give 203 ilvl.
M15 is for most just not reachable at the moment so most people cap around ilvl 205 unless they raid hc/mythic.
stupid design if you ask me.
All I can do is now do 4 10s and hope for a suitable loot 1 week later.
instead of raid logging its now m+ logging.
trying to farm gear is a huge waste of time
first normal raid run i got nothing, 1 raid item from the vault. second raid run i got 2 items and next week i get 1 raid item from vault for free so it makes 4 raid items in 2 weeks.
that sounds good to me.
The loot right now is a pure joke. Since beginning of EXP and clearing 10 norm 8 hc and about 30 m+ per week i managed to get 197ilvl. Since last 38 dungeons and 18 bosses in raid 0 drops. Literally makes me want to quit, game is pointless if you cannot progress.
Well The light has shown me a new way to obtain loot so right now i’m around at item level 190 ^^
What is everyone’s strategy now? Just curious?
I’m at the point where I am looking for specific items from dungeons, and with the current loot system it could take me 20 runs if I am lucky.
You guys just getting to 10 and then hoping RNG smiles on you with the vault?
Its also the fact that M6- will be rendered uselss so its a double bladed cut in getting sence of progression ggoing in m +. So people’;s content is cut in half really both beyond m10 and before m6 since it will prolly stay the same untill at aleast 9.1 which is scheduled due may/june
I ran so many dungeons till now that I am ilvl 199 (pretty garbage) but almost my cap.
I am running M10s mostly now and the loot from there is (if you get any) is mostly not an upgrade either.
So right now I am doing 3 things:
It is frustrating that if you don’t want to raid you just wait for Wednesday for actual loot. Will get even worse the closer you are to the max end of dungeon drop ilvl.
Pretty sure will take me several week till I actually reach m15s with pugs
yes that is another funny thing that we will soon get honor gear (afk content) and world quests reaching ilvl 200 (?) which actually even renders m10 useless outside of the vault because why would i waste time for 3 ilvl upgrade which i need 5000 dungeons for till i get a useful item