It’s really not that bad. If you just want to play some unskilled pvp, you can play AV which has no premades.
WSG and AB yes you do face premades but it’s not all the time. And there’s nothing stopping you from joining or forming a group.
Even when you face premades, it doesn’t guarantee you will get crushed. Today, I faced (in a WSG pug) three premades in a row, and we beat them all.
Equally, I have been in many premades where we faced a pug and lost badly.
Here’s some advice though - play battlegrounds on a Monday/Tuesday, there are far fewer premades. The later on in the week you play, the more people will be capped for the week, so the fewer of them play BGs.
That is such a destructive and dishonest argument. Classic is a recreation-of-Vanilla-based-on-patch-1.12.1-with-progressiver-content-on-a-modern-client. It not a replica of Vanilla retail; it’s a recreation.
It’s just the same argument all over and over and over. You can point to unrelated change X and therefor your change Y is valid.
Even now when you actually make a reasonable valid argument about this bluepost adjustment, you just ruin your own argument with this destructive bad argument.
That minor adjustment to the queue system is in a fact a reasonable change to ask for. I would not agree about it but if I saw a thread with people asking for that specific minor change backed up by actual facts and source to a bluepost I would not jump in argue against it per se.
I dont see the problem beeing as huge as in 60.
I also dont think any other levels than 60 can carry a seperation than 60.
But indeed the lv60 should’ve been seperate queues for single & group, but i think by now blizzard has shown no intention to do the right thing…so sadly that leaves only one thing to do…all pugs should /afk if they face a premade so either WSG/AB will die or they are forced to do something.
Im sick of people trying to defend the right for this to happend with the #nochange argument, or even worse - the
“it will just be long matches if premade vs premade”…so they actually only want to stomp pugs? and it should be their right to do so??
They did the right thing; they kept everyone in the same queue.
That WAS the right thing.
Well unfortunately, seems he was actually quite sad.
Serious question, why should I be the one to make compromise? I was all for Classic, an authentic recreation of a game I can no longer legally play. I wanted it as close as physically possible.
Instead, I got several bad changes and those were followed up with more bad changes to fix the first ones. Why should I compromise on even more bad changes?
Shouldn’t you compromise instead?
As I’ve outlined multiple times, by seperating people you’re essentially giving other players easy access to gear that others have spent weeks hardcore premading for. If queues were seperated, solo queue would be easier. Solo queues in games are always easier.
You also open up ranking to bots once again, and you hinder people that want to play with friends.
Your main problem Holtzt, is the way the honor system works. Because gear isn’t rewarded through “skill”, but through time commitments. People premade so that they can lessen the time requirements for their BiS gear.
The solution to premades is simple: Wait. Once the gear isn’t BiS, less people will hardcore premade for it; why would they bother?
Another option is to solo queue for battlegrounds on Mondays and Tuesdays. Hardcore players reach their weekly honor cap by Sunday, then they chill on Monday and Tuesday; leaving only the “bad” premades in the battlegrounds.
You’re right when you say that a change to PVP gear is partly what caused this. But adding more changes isn’t going to fix the damage that’s been done; it’s going to cause more damage.
Introducing crossrealm BGs at the start of classic and updating the ranking gear, so it is BiS, is actually a change that is really closely related to the premade problem.
Moreover, you are using the argument that Classic is a recreation of Vanilla and therefore, no further changes should be made. The problem about is that changes have been made that caused the current situation. However, this change in the bluepost would be a reasonable change, as you said too.
I am not talking about changes that do not correlate with the current situation and I also said that “changes have been made that caused the problems we are facing now”.
No, I’m using the argument that we should never add changes because any unrelated change will be used as an argument to add more changes. Just look on litterally any thread asking for a custom change. Someone is always using that argument.
Cross realm battlegrounds is not a change as it was part of the original Vanilla retail patch 1.12.1 that Classic is based on. This was know for over 2 years before launch. It will not affect the portion of premades you meet, only how many different premades you meet. So far no one have complained that they meet to many different premades…
You think you have seen it all but you never woke up, couldnt sleep, log and que AV in 4h morning and join game with 10ish bots, 10ish afkers, 10ish lvl 52-56 questing dudes, 3 guys with ress sickness, party of 5 ppl farming honor behind sf.
In the other words I played game alone VS 40 horde no lifers drooling 1 hour in que with only one wish and purpose…to win match.
Thats when you just afk out and grab tetriss for better latenight gameplay experiance
X realm is not Vanilla, it was there for around 3 months at the end of the honor system when no one was even ranking anymore. It is not what people remember Vanilla PVP for and it is clearly a massive mistake by Blizzard. Another of their WOW classic blunders where they introduced a change that has had social consequences.
PVP is broken at the moment, there is almost no avenue for solo PVP, AV ques increasing by the day for Horde, Layering has ruined world PVP and Premades are the most toxic thing in the game. Blizzard have an obligation to change these things.
Classic is a recreation if Vanilla retail based on patch 1.12.1 with progressive content.
Cross realm BGs was part of 1.12.1. Cross realm BGs have no affect on the proportion of premades you meet, only how many different premades you meet.
Classic is not a recreation of arbitrary memories and player behaviors. It’s a recreation if the 1.12.1 gameplay systems.
This topic is about the WSG/AB queue system. That system is authentic and people can easily adapt by joining players in their community (realm) and play group pvp content in a group.
Vanilla pvp is broken by design. AV queues are irrelevant. Layering are active on a few realms and they have free realm transfer to realms without layering. Premades are groups of social players that play group pvp content in a group. Blizzard have an obligation not to change anything.
Actually it does have an effect on the proportion of premades I meet. There was only a single Horde premade on my server and therefore I almost never had to play against this premade.
