Zandalar Tribe RP-PVP is a failure of epic proportions, and it's all Blizzard's fault!

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It’s time to say the truth. The server has turned out to be an utter failure. And it failed in a typical, Blizzardish way!

RP, at least on Horde side, seldom happens. There are some events that occur during the weekend. Yet a guildie of mine complained she got ridiculed by another person during an event. If we put these rare events aside, literally nothing else happens. There’s no RP in Orgrimmar. Brill is empty. RP normally makes the atmosphere alive and the game more immersive, but there are no slowly walking people in the Horde zones. It’s just a regular server.

And we know very well when it happened. It happened during launch, when Blizzard failed to predict how many people will play Classic. So when people saw there are huge queues on the other PVP servers, they rolled their toons on Zandalar Tribe, without actually being interested in the RP part. In the end Zandalar Tribe had queues, even if they were not that huge. Many of these PVPers remain. In the end Zandalar Tribe is just another regular PVP server. And I’m not interested to play on such.

I am interested firstly and most importantly, on the RP part. It’s RP-PVP, and not vice versa. If PVP exists, it should serve as an addition to roleplaying. It’s not RP that should serve as an addition to PVPing - and we don’t EVEN have that.

Blizzard actually admitted that Zandalar Tribe is a failure when free transfers were offered. People can actually transfer… yes, to other PVP realms. This is a sign that Blizzard treats Zandalar Tribe as a PVP server and nothing more. There’s no option for us, the RPers, to transfer to other RP realms, minus the PVP. If such option exists, I’ll immediately take and transfer ASAP. But apparently, RPers aren’t important to Blizzard.

So here we are - stuck on a PVP server, and there’s nothing we can do. It would also have been different if Blizzard enforced rules for non-RPers, but alas…

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I agree completely! It is all about the pvp now. I hardly dare to rp at all outside the events, and even them get trashed from random people. I dont have a problem if some people ask what rp is, (althou they rolled on a RP-server…), but it is hurtful to get ridiculed for doing RP on a RP-server. Beside from this so have the atmosphere become very toxic. There is a lot of flaming going on in general chats that is totally uncalled for. It used to be really important to behave in the beginning of World of Warcraft, because your reputation was really important if you wanted to get into raid- or pvp-guilds at endgame - today it seems like most people just dont give a damn - they are retail-indoctrinated. Be an ashole and it is fine. It really breaks my hearth - I love the game :frowning:

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The problem is the rp community in Classic is too small, not that the non rpers are too many. Rp isn’t so big and most prefer Retail because of transmogs, toys and useful gadgets. Look at the new German rp server, it’s always low pop.

I also think many players rolled on rp not because of ques, but because the people are nicer, more social and mature. In pvp we see less brainless ganking of unwilling players on rp-pvp.

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But now the community isn’t like that. Zandalar Tribe has a huge population of tryhard, rude zoomers that don’t give a crap about the realm community. I’ve seen people laughed at for roleplaying. I’ve rerolled Hydraxion Waterlords to get away from this mess. It feels like Kazzak on retail.

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The RP communty in Classic is too small, yes. But I don’t see it as a problem. RPers are always niche players. And RP-PVP is a niche within the niche. Or at least it should be so. Zandalar RP-PVP was supposed to be a small server for a small community, but right now it’s a overly populated PVP server where RPers have no place.

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You fail to understand the real reason why zandalar tribe failed to become a real RP server, it doesn’t have anything to do with the queues at launch.

The real reason is that ZT quickly became the ONLY big pvp server where aliance actually had the edge over horde in terms of numbers, so ally players who wanted to stand a chance in pvp started to come “en masse” to zt, AND horde players who wanted somewhat of a challenge also started to come.

RP never had a chance to happen because of this in the first place. I think it would have had been much better, had it launched later on honestly.

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The reason why it didn’t happen doesn’t matter much.

What matters is that I’m a dissatisfied customer who didn’t get what he applied for when he rolled on Zandalari-Tribe, thus I want to transfer on a regular RP realm. And I want to transfer, not reroll, because I spent too much time working on this character.

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Dont try to blame it on blizzard, its the players fault. Thats it

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Hydraxian Waterlords is better for roleplay.

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Zandalar tribe is the best server i have played so far… And i tried at least 4 others before.
I would say it is the " less worst" of all

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Right, I’m just here to correct a few points, I know what your saying and I understand your frustration, but when defias brotherhood opened up back in vannila there was someone who posted something similar and there was a blue post to the effect of, it is a PvP realm first and foremost with an RP ruleset, now I tried looking for that post but can’t seem to find it, old forums and what not I also didn’t spend more than a quick google, I’m sure the more diligent among us will find it at some point.
Secondly as it stands the factions are in wide scale war in the RP ruleset currently, the days of please take strolls around mulgore are over for now.
Re faction balance, RP-pvp means one thing more than most, retadins, lots and lots and lots of Retadins, all playing the same holy warrior schtick in RP sense, so that’s going to screw up the faction balance a lot, I used to be alliance from 1-120 on defias and rolled horde in classic to escape those utter shenanigans…

If you rolled on a normal(PVE) realm would you ban people from pvp and tell them they should of rolled on a pvp realm? Of coarse not, and likewise if they rolled on a PvP realm would you tell them you have to pvp 100% of the time and can’t PVE, else you should of rolled on a PVE realm? See how ridiculous that sounds, well, that is rather akin to saying they must RP.
Some people rolled on an RP realm so they don’t have to hear about football results or who got voted out of what tv show for what ever reasons in /S…
From what I read from your post is “I want, I want, I want…” like I said I do understand your frustration but realize you’re demanding people play the game you want and are totally unaware that you may not be playing the game the way someone else wants. Demanding people do what you want can make someone sound very entitled.
I don’t wish to engage with a flame war here because you do have some solid points however I’m just playing devils advocate and pointing out other people have an equally valid idea of what RP means to them and their reason for rolling here on ZT. Their opinion and time is just as valuable as yours.
However people who grief and ridicule RP in any shape of form should not be tolerated on these realms,

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As a player on Zandalar tribe i agree. The majority seems only into PvP, Rp seldom occures, and if it does its only for the duration of waiting for the boats for example. While i havent had or heared of people beeing ridiculed yet, the fact that there is only 1 rp-pvp server is shocking. If you want to play both horde and alliance on a rp-pvp server, you only have the option with an extra account atm. Additionally it doesn’t seem like Rp-PvP rules are actually adhered. I’ve reported names countless of times for rp violation names like kktnxbai is a clear violation of the rules, yet after nearly 3 months i still come accross the same names.

Don’t get me wrong there are people intrested in RP. But as above mentioned due to the launch shenanigans a lot of non rp ers are still on the server, and it looks like there here to stay.

@ Blizzard: Enforce your rules and add at least one more rp-pvp server

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I understand your concerns. However I played on what many belive was the best RP-PVP server in vanilla too “Defias Brotherhood” and it was just like this.

Most players rolls on RP servers to be in a more “mature” environment and dont have to see pople spam “have to leave for Pizza” in spatial and avoid chars called ROFLCOPTER etc.

As long as people respect RPers and follow the rules it should be ok.

Phase two is a mess though…

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Just a note. There are a lot of ppl disrespecting the rp ingame and ridicules those who are doing spontanious rping. It has happend to me at several occations. I have full respect if not all on a rppvp server wants to roleplay, but the respect is not going both ways - and it is sad when it clearly states that it is a RPPVP server.

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I’m going to agree with this notion, a lot of the players originally migrated to Zandalar Tribe after the dumpster fire that was the Shazzrah general Discord. I personally decided to move to Zandalar because the overall mentality of players there was more mature than on other servers where streamers and their followers went.

I would however point out that in-line with the rules associated with roleplaying servers I have done my best to immerse myself in roleplaying as much as possible when I am in the open world. On the Alliance side I see a lot of people who are there for both raiding and pvp but still try to promote an immersive atmosphere within the realm. Some people are at least making attempts.

I will also say that any harassment or disruption of roleplaying should be frowned upon and reported.

The PvP system went live on Thursday evening, it’s not really surprising that it’s the only thing on players their minds.

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I find it sad that someone would go out of there way to mock RP, even if it is seen as nerdish, because let’s be honest here people… we are playing a game that stopped being relevant 13 years ago, fanatically… that’s pretty nerdy to me, so ridiculing RP is just bizzare, unless it’s ERP which can bloody well bugger off back to goldshire and all the naked flappy females with it!

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Layering removed is going to improve rp, but now we got it simultanious as the PvP hype and we don’t see the effect of it yet.

What became of Nixxiom’s guild The Gravediggers then? The reason I made this toon was to take part in the style of the large scale pvp battles they arranged, like The Battle of Westfall that can be seen on his youtube channel. (been busy doing other things so not much lvled yet)

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Maybe this is one of the rare cases when we thought we did, but we didn’t :slight_smile:

Thus said - there ARE those of us, who are new to Vanilla.

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I share the sentiment.

If they were to open a transfer to the other RP server, I’d use it immediately.

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I agree with you, but you know, as we roleplyers are a niche, if you want to see RP in Orgrimmar or Brill, well you can do something about it ! Just organize a regular tavern event each day for example. Even small things like that shows to the players of ZT that it is a RP server, and that RP is something that should be often see. But, where I fully agree, is about Blizzard. Blizzard is doing nothing about the lack of respect of the rules, I have reported many players because of really stupid names, and I still see them one month after ! I’ve even talked to someone who was genuinely not aware that there were rules about names on a RP server.

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