Duel spec is highly detrimental and goes against the essence of World of Warcraft. Players will now be compelled to maintain two raid specs. Don’t argue that there are numerous casual guilds available because, in reality, even casual guilds will demand dual spec raiding for optimization. I’m not interested in joining a guild just to clear MC in 3 hours. The only guilds that will be accessible are the subpar ones. I’m certain not everyone is eager to play with two specs in a raid.
Dual spec is also strongly opposed to the classic WoW experience. The joy of talents lies in creating your own unique spec that performs well in both PvP and PvE scenarios. It becomes monotonous and foreseeable when everyone roams around with a PvP spec in the open world.
For instance, I wanted to play as a dagger rogue so I could be somewhat effective outside the open world while PvPing in my PvE spec when I didn’t want to respec. Now, I can simply play combat swords and switch to hemo whenever I desire outside of raids. This feels incorrect and too reminiscent of retail WoW.
In conclusion, while dual spec offers convenience, it ultimately detracts from the rich, immersive experience that defines classic WoW, replacing the challenge and excitement of specialization with a one-size-fits-all approach that feels contrary to the game’s original intent
I wholeheartedly agree! Thanks for a good analysis and great arguments.
The joy of classic WoW is how quirky, time consuming and gold taxing it is. Everything NOT being balanced and streamlined is a huge part of the fun in playing. With changes coming in from later versions of the game, this fun dies in my eyes.
Why is it always the same people crying about these changes on these forums?
Stop it already. Don’t play on the new servers and stop complaining … jees
This is pure doomsay because unless you’ve forgotten, dual spec has existed since WOTLK and we just went through WOTLK Classic + Cata Classic which is currently active and requiring 2 raid specs is a non-factor. Some players would do it because they were sweaty, the absolute vast majority of players didn’t, the absolute vast majority of guilds did not have any such requirement. The impact of having a tank/healer run a secondary dps spec which they’d run on some bosses is absolutely trivial and meaningless.
Not only that, but WOTLK/Cataclyms is on a scale of multitudes more difficult than anything in Vanilla so any such impact would be significantly less than in WOTLK onwards. Your fears are completely blown out of proportion and unfounded, you will never turn this around anyway since it is the result of player feedback and a decision has been made.
Not true at all. Never in any iteration of WoW have I had to get 2 mandatory PvE specs to enter a raid.
What becomes monotonous and foreseeable is running the same spec for month on end and not be able to enjoy some tweaks and twist to fit a certain build/situation.
Nothing monotonous about being able to change spec, especially when it comes to PvP.
I sure want people geared and rightly spec’ed in open world as I prefer a proper challenge rather than stomping on a player who can’t stand a chance to begin with.
I don’t get how you’d prefer having a subpar spec both for PvE AND PvP rather than being able to swap from 2 potentially relevant PvE and PvP spec.
Nothing stops you from playing dagger.
Dual spec won’t turn guild masters into parse-crazed minions. If you thought you were gonna be able to raid with a sub-optimal spec before dual spec, I’m sure you’ll be fine with raiding with a single decent PvE spec.
It’s really ANNOYING to constantly have announcements that we’re going to replay the game as before with “no changes” and to actually have a huge list of changes…
If you want changes you already have RETAILS and you have SOD, so leave us alone THANK YOU!
And yes, the double spec has also a huge negative impact on the game, it already kills all the hybrid specs, because what is the point of having a hybrid spec when you can be full opti pve and full opti pvp in 1 click? Having to pay each time is a constraint that allows hybrid specs to appear and not everyone plays the same spec! otherwise there’s no point in having talent trees if everyone only plays the same specs…
In short, it smoothes and harmonizes the game and it sucks, and that’s what was already a mistake done in the past and you start again…
This is such a weird statement, MC is done in a hour or 2 max and has even been done way faster with just 1 spec. What makes you think all the guilds are suddenly going to demand you need 2 specs
Strongly disagree. I dont think dual spec will have any real difference on gameplay outside of sweatlords.
Normies, rankers and casuals will use it to PvP likely. It’ll likely also help with finding healers and tanks.
Also, your PvPing in a PvE spec thing is a personal opinion and your choice. Nothing is stopping you from doing so. It also tells me you’ve never ranked before, because if you had, you’d know spending 100-200g every week just to play another part of the game is not fun or engaging, and instead lead to a lot of swiping.
They played on Private servers with 1000 other people where sweaty Guild leader demanded higest optimisation from everybody. They just like to gatekeep and think of themself as elite, because while some enjoyed retail they were “loyal” to vanilla now they feel “betrayed” by Blizzard.
We all knew this is going to happen sooner or latter, it’s all about money talk,money drill where drill bit won’t , people don’t see bigger picture it’s all about their own interest in satisfying their consumerism nature give me give me give me…what majority wants ,majority will get no matter what even if it is road to hell.
What is funny fools don’t realise , when it gets start with big changes (which Dual Spec definatelly is) it will never stop till eventually content become a trash like retail and SoD are.
You can never satisfy both school of gamers and like i sad before and will repeat myself “A game for everyone is a game for no one”…
What other fools don’t realize is that this is Blizzard’s game and IP, not yours.
You can always move along if what they are doing here doesn’t please you.
Agree with OP…
All my friends and I are super hyped for fresh but this is NOT a good thing.
While I do like dual spec in general, it doesn’t belong in vanilla
I have to disagree here.
All the little changes they do, doesn’t affect the vanilla feeling … I think. We’ll have to see.
Instead I think these changes will enhance it enough (not much) to keep a larger playerbase and make the experience fun for more people, including myself.
Let’s hope I’m true and otherwise we move to TBC anyway
Ok so because you personally can’t see the problems with it then there is no problem?
As a mage you’re going to be running fire pve and frost pve in mc + bwl depending on immunities. And yes it will be enforced. Nobody is going to take a sub optimal frost mage that does 50% less overall dps.
I host pugs. I’m not going to take a frost mage who doesn’t have fire offspec to anything in mc/bwl patch. Why should I? It’s the same as taking a warrior who chooses to raid in 2h pvp spec.
