when there is many solo players having big problems facing premades constantly, and it only takes a small adjustment to fix it, that should have not much impact on premades except they cant GY camp pug’s anymore.
what is horrible is pug’s facing premades 80%¨of the time, that sux.
It isn’t a small adjustment, it’s the creation of an entire new system.
I know you love to argue and refuse to accept anything laid out to you, but that is a simple thing that not even the most delusional of the “i wunna succeed and pug” people could deny.
I totally agree. Both Bodiesan and Miylee have over 1k posts here on this forum. I bet if looked back to the time when horde were crying about AV Alliance premades; i would bet my bottom £££ that they both were on this forum moaning asking Blizzard to ‘fix’ it!
Now both are advocating ‘No Changes’ because it suits their narrative. No changes as rolling premades and stomping Pugs is so much easier then have to face other premades.
Yes its changing the system, but it is not a creation of an entire new system, when they can use the old system with a minor change in it.
I can say the same about you, that you love to argue and refuse to face problems that is blatantly obvious, ‘wunna succeed and pug’ what do you mean by that? that i want to reach rank 14? or that i just want to have a chance of winning a bg instead of getting run over by a premade?
Deny what ?
A bet you’d lose. My stance was “7 minute Drek rush meta is boring and I’d rather go to WSG/AB premade meta, but I firmly stand by no changes”.
You’ll find, my dear monkey boy, that we aren’t all hypocrites that only want the game to suit ourselves; like you.
You’ll find we’ve both been no changes since Classic’s announcement. Want me to go through the archived forums and find you an old thread?
Of course you don’t; because you think this is a matter or morality.
No, they can’t. It isn’t just creating seperate queues, it’s creating seperate battlegrounds entirely; otherwise you’d get premades sneaking their way into your games.
Furthermore, it also requires altering even more of the game to fix all the aftermath of your “little” change.
The problem I’m facing is so many naiev people refusing to accept that they’re simply playing the wrong game. The problem isn’t the game, it’s the players. It’s you.
You obviously want to be able to rank up competitively without the need to co-operate with teams. If you just wanted to win a bg instead of getting run over, you wouldn’t have been so against the “zero rewards, solo only queue” idea.
Deny that it’s a god damn big change and would require a lot of work.
Turns out I’m wrong though, you’ll even deny that.
Changing it so it seperate premades from pug’s means premades dont sneak in vs pug’s
and i say that the ‘aftermath’ what ever it is you think will happen, can only be better than facing premades all the time.
The problem right now is you, trying to defend premades camping pug’s is mindblowing.
rank up vs randoms is fine by me, the premades can have their high ranks as i already said before, anyone going for high rank would have to do what the hardcore pvp players trying for high ranks do, if not they dont have a chance anyway, but you dont seem to understand that point, becasue you keep bringing it up.
im not aiming for the high ranks, which is around 11-14, solo players investing alot of time can still reach rank 10 with the system we have now, so it is not unfair to give honor for bg’s to solo players, as long as they get less than premades, premades is not getting lower ranks when solo players have 0 or have 75% of what the high ranks have.
I dont think it require a lot to make that change, and i believe blizzard already have the option in their system since its possible to meet an entire team of russians that solo queued.
That’s not what I said, learn to read.
Then you’re a selfish little man that only wants things his way.
Because that’s the damn game you signed up for when you signed the “I want classic” letter.
That isn’t a correct response to a single thing that I said, as usual.
You also don’t think there’ll be any aftermath when the experiment has already been tried by those more intelligent than you. Perhaps then, that thing I’ve been saying to you time and time again, is factually correct:
You think wrong.
Hey man take it easy, everyone can make mistakes, get off your high horse.
So it is creating seperate battlegrounds, all battle grounds are seperate battlegrounds, a BG is an instance, and when premades queue up, its easy to make them meet another premade creating an instanced bg for the 2 premades.
In my eyes you are the selfish little man that cant handle fair bg’s
Blizzard can and should make changes when the game is affected badly, does not matter what ‘you signed up for’ just because you think blizzard should not change it, does not mean you are right about it.
It makes sense to me, and you are still on your high horse, as usual.
Well i read the link you posted, and they were arguing just as much over it, and most wanted the same premades facing premades.
and thanks for keep insulting me, i guess you have no better arguments than insults.
The ‘thing you have said again and again’ is not factually correct if you claim premade facing premade and pug’s facing pug’s is not a better option
You think more wrong.
edit: you like to use personal attacks more and more, if you cant handle it, you should stop.
"A bet you’d lose. My stance was “7 minute Drek rush meta is boring and I’d rather go to WSG/AB premade meta, but I firmly stand by no changes”.
You’ll find, my dear monkey boy, that we aren’t all hypocrites that only want the game to suit ourselves; like you."
Resorting to insults now? i have never insulted you and i expect the same courtesy Miylee. All i am doing is pointing out the fact that premades are now ruining BG PvP.
"You’ll find we’ve both been no changes since Classic’s announcement. Want me to go through the archived forums and find you an old thread?
Of course you don’t; because you think this is a matter or morality."
Total rubbish. I have found a thread where Bodiesan is advocating for the Av premade fix.
"No, they can’t. It isn’t just creating seperate queues, it’s creating seperate battlegrounds entirely; otherwise you’d get premades sneaking their way into your games.
Furthermore, it also requires altering even more of the game to fix the aftermath of your “little” change."
Again, i am pretty sure it would be a quick fix re the premade issue, just as the AV change. Please clarify what you mean by altering more of the game to fix the aftermath for the change? It only needs one change. Im sure Blizzard never intended to have Pugs come up against premades 90% plus of the time.
To be honest i’m not going to argue my point against yours. It obviously would be like banging my head against a brick wall. You have your view, i have mine. You love premades because you can grind easy HK’s quickly and steam roll Pugs, i get that. I have the view that coming up against them pretty much all the time… to put it plainly - sucks big time! The situation is totally unbalanced.
Why is this even a discussion?
Match premades against premades and pugs against pugs!
Everyone gets a fair match.
Problem solved.
What Nastas says:
Premades Vs Premades
Pugs Vs Pugs.
Problem solved, everyone happy.
Like now, 10% of ppl happy, 90% unhappy.
And unhappy ppl stop playng pvp, stop playng wow and cancels subs. = no more ppl for premade to play against, so bye bye everyone.
Its hard to figure out if the BGs are unbalanced ( I think they are) - or if there still is an age/maturity gap between Hordes/Allis. Back in the day it was roumored that Hordes was older than Allis and if thats true and Allis has SO many rolled warriors… you can see what Im getting at. In AV`s the Alli imagination goes to either hide at SH or Rush HUT !! and when that fails… peeps go afk. I would love to see some stats on how many bgs are won by Hordes vs Allis… and also see an age/class ratio… I see this 15 year old boy that has rolled alli warrior for my inner sight… spamming the chat with RUSH HUT, thats what the Russians does.
Becasue people keep asking for changes to the gameplay systems even though Blizzard have been very clear not to change the game play systems:
if you want the modern balance changes, we have those in Battle for Azeroth. If we wanted to get what we would do today, we have that. It’s already available. But we don’t have what we did back then, and we wanna give back people what we did back then, especially on things like class balance and that authentic gameplay experience and those authentic gameplay systems the way that they worked.
https://www.wowhead.com/news=288412/blizzcon-2018-wow-classic-interview-with-brian-birmingham-and-john-hight
But that’s about class balance and not about fair BG matching
“and those authentic gameplay systems the way that they worked.”
You’re just making things up as you go, present them as fact and then lean on them to continue your case. At this point I’m convinced you’re just trying to piss people off by being the absolute biggest blowhole you can be.
Let’s not cut out the part that works against your case shall we? You did this in the other thread too so I can only assume it’s on purpose this time.
that authentic gameplay experience and those authentic gameplay systems the way that they worked.
This clearly states they care about both the authentic experience and the systems the way they worked. If both are at odds you have to find a balance between them. Unlike what you’ve been saying in all these threads classic was, according to your own evidence you just cited, not at all supposed to be just a carbon copy of the systems. It was supposed to introduce the authentic gameplay experience too.
Hehe, aah yes, sry 
Tho from 2018 before all this became reality
Still, there’s a very simple solution that will make more subscribers happy
GAMEPLAY experience. NEVER do they say ONLY experience.
Gameplay experience is for example spall batching and how your talents and spells work. Gameplay systems are how for example a bg queue works.
Show me ONCE when blizzard said they want to recreate the original experience.
That’s what gameplay experience means…
No, it’s not. How did you come up with that? Gameplay experience is the subjective experience you get while playing the game.