No, that would be player experience.
The gameplay experience is always the same. The player experience is always different. You guys want to copy a player experience.
Lol, just give up dude.
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The gameplay experience is always the same. It’s based on the mechanics of a game. The player experience is always different. That’s based on how people play the game. You guys want to copy an arbitrary player experience. And you want to change the gameplay experience to do it.
I think you need to look up the definition of ‘gameplay experience’ mate. Besides, if you’re such an advocate for ‘No Changes’, why did you support the AV change?
I’m really confused on how you say premades are everywhere but your not in one yourself? Can’t beat em, join em
Wow did you just do that? You are literally proving my point. This is my argument that I have posted many times:
My opinion is that we can NEVER add ANY change to the game that people ask for. It’s UNACCEPTABLE to change ANYTHING just because people ask for it.
You see, my reason and argument is this:
If any change is added just because people ask for it then that change WILL be used as an argument to add more changes. That change will validate ALL other changes.
This is not even a slippery slope fallacy. It’s a FACT. Just look on ALL threads asking for a custom change. Someone is ALWAYS using some unrelated change as an argument to add more changes.
That’s why I am against changes.
Classic is a recreation of a GAME, not how people choose to play that game.
And to quote Blizzard talking about Classic before relase:
if you want the modern balance changes, we have those in Battle for Azeroth. If we wanted to get what we would do today, we have that. It’s already available. But we don’t have what we did back then, and we wanna give back people what we did back then, especially on things like class balance and that authentic gameplay experience and those authentic gameplay systems the way that they worked.
https://www.wowhead.com/news=288412/blizzcon-2018-wow-classic-interview-with-brian-birmingham-and-john-hight
Gameplay means how the game plays out. Not if people choose to play in a group or not... A Gameplay system is for example how a queue works. Gameplay is for example how your class and spells work. That is what they are recreating. They are not recreating how people used to play the game 14y ago.
Right now your instinct is probably to point to some change that you can think of and use that as an argument for your other change. And when you do that you have proven my point.
Ontopic, adding a seperate queue for solo players in normal battlegrounds have been done in this game, ever. The consequences are unknown for how it would affect ranking and rep farming in the Vanilla system.
No my ‘instinct’ is to explain that you bang on about no changes, but actually advocated FOR the AV change previously.
And to answer your question about the AV queue. Blizzard hotfixed an new exploit unique for Classic where only one faction could circumvent the solo queue limit and join as a full raid in AV.
It’s ok to hotfix new exploits in Classic.
Right now your instinct is probably to point to some change that you can think of and use that as an argument for your other change. And when you do that you have proven my point.
Sorry, but you are wrong there. The ‘game mechanics’ were working as intended re vanilla. Its just ppl found a way to use them to their advantage this time round.
My very first (and main) char was a Orc Shammy, we (horde) had insta AV queues back then. So not ‘new’ at all.
Ok, so just to be clear.
You are using a different unrelated changes as an argument to add more changes. Right?
An by the way. It was an confirmed exploit by Blizzard that they hotfixed 3 times. Unrelated to the topic in question.
If people found a way to have premades only fight pugs in WSG/AB or something like that it would be reasonable to ask for a hotfix. If there are some actual circumvention or exploit to gain an unfair advantage, then you can hotfix that. Not if people use a system as it is designed in the way it was intended to be used. The WSG/AB queue is working as intended. No one is gaining an unfair advantage, everyone can form premades, the system is authentic.
The only argument people have is that’s it’s not fun and people play in a different way today and choose to join more premades.
Okay, i kinda agree with some of your last point. But here’s the but… because we are all playing a very old game. All i was saying horde could have used the AV insta queues to their advantage back then? If horde had insta queues today? You better believe they would have used that AV premade option to their advantage as well! Can we at least agree on that?
Now my point is that whether or not u ‘think’ its an exploit is kind of irrelevant. It was wrong, full stop! Can we both agree on that?
Im going to bottom line it for you.
Do you think premades steaming rolling pugs all the time is fair? A simple yes/no answer in detail if you wish? Please dont sidestep this direct question by using ‘no changes’ or premades were an option back in vanilla. I played vanilla and i did come up against premades… but NO WHERE near the % i face now. Times unfortunately do change.
Ive read your previous posts about just premades for bg’s. I understand that you think it could have a detrimental effect on the honor system as it stands, but thats what testing is for re Blizzard. However, if you think ‘just’ premades vs premades? Why not pugs vs pugs too? You cannot take honor from the majority, surely there is room for both premades and pugs to exist independently of each other?
Please answer my direct question to you without trying to be a politician?
Well, see it as a hotfix to prevent nolifers from abusing pug’s 
How do you guys kill a player in premade as a pug ?
You cant … Because they have no life ! Get it ? Hah /uninstall ! Sorry that was bad.
I’m sorry, I am actually confused by your point tbh? Please clarify in more detail?
Yes
You have 10/15 players vs 10/15 players in pvp. They all have exactly the same opportunity as everyone else to win. The only difference is the choices they make, skill and effort they put in.
The AV queue exploit on the other ha d was unfair before it was hotfixed. Because everyone didn’t have the same opportunity as everyone else when only one faction could premade.
WoW! and there is your answer! Basically you love the easy way to gain honor re time spent on this game. Anything to ‘suit’ your narrative of this game atm. You have just been found out :P. If you honestly think premades rolling over Pug’s is fine… then WTF? Seriously!
No wonder you use the ‘No Changes’ argument? Again, FOR the AV fix but not the premade fix?
Tbh, i will see people like yourself crying on the forums again when the TBC comes out and arena kicks in!
Remember the ‘No changes’ line you have pushed lol?
I have never played a premade in Classic.
I will not play arenas in TBC, I will pug BGs for the blue set.
So why do you have such a strong opinion against premade vs premade… pug vs pug?
A couple of posts above: About Premades! - #146 by Bodiesan-earthshaker
You should know, as I quoted you in that response…
I don’t care about premades or pugs. I care about not adding changes.
I’m not going to get angry! bro, love and peace! Your arguments are total crap! But if you of the mindset that premades are absolutely fine vs pugs… i really do not know how to respond to that statement, i really don’t!
Again, i will ‘tough’ it out till until TBC. Then i will feck up ppl like you in a 2v2/3v3/5v5 matchup arena setting. Tbh i cannot wait for it actually right now. Then watch you all cry on the forums about it!
Adding no changes? you blew that when you advocated for the AV change.