And in one of your post you said the rpers community was all toxic. Are you also saying every single rper is toxic because the community is?
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It has to be trolling at this point.
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Well. Thatâs not what I said. Perhaps you didnât read the start of the discussion, but I just said that this entire debate has been done to death many times, it wonât make people change their mind and that I think anti-OOCers usually use oversensitive arguments.
We had a back and forth with Vilem&friends (in which it was made clear that OOCers werenât his main focus) and then we discussed about what caused other RP servers to collapse⌠and if a similar situation could occur into AD. Which further ignited the issue of OOCers and harassers. By then people took the position you seem to share now, that OOCers are a bad category in and of itself.
I have debated this part already and offered arguments before you joined. The moment in which I report my experience isnât really an argument, just an explanation as to why I donât find it compelling when people tell me: âwhy donât you do something about this crisis?!?â
As I said your central point entails an ambiguous situation, where you both absolve and condemn OOCers as a group/category.
I am trying to show you why I accept a piece of it, but reject it as a whole.
I said the community has a problem with toxicity and it would be better if people would focus on issues such as these rather than screaming OOCers are the root of all evil on AD. Of course many players arenât toxic, I RP with a lot of great players.
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And we are saying that oocers in general are a problem.
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Which is mainly caused by OOCers.
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Your statements werenât less vague. You claimed you have a problem just with trolls, then now you claim youâre having a problem with OOCers in general.
I think toxicity comes from inside. Trolling sure, comes in great numbers from outside, but toxicity is mostly an internal problem.
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Pretty much what Zagkush and Jessicka are saying.
My entire argument is that alot of the toxicity and harassment comes primarily from nonRPers and that is an issue.
Your argument seem to be that because itâs not the -sole- reason, then its no point in talking about it. Or because I consider it to be a large issue then I hate all nonRpers which I never said I did.
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Because the trolls are 90% of the time OOCers.
Caused by the OOCers.
Does toxicity exist within ICC? Ofc it does, thereâs toxicity everywhere.
However, OOCers makes it far worse.
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Yes, because many of the oocers in question are trolls and griefers. Thatâs why they are a problem.
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My point is that itâs wrong to blame all the OOCers for harassment and trolling and henceforth you canât become toxic yourself to random OOCers on that basis.
Personally I also think RPers do more harassment than OOCers. My argument with you is just that itâs wrong to blame an entire category for what a sub-category does.
I strongly disagree with the idea that toxicity comes from OOCers, people barely interact with OOCers when you RP. Toxicity is usually internal to the community. You said yourself your worst experiences were with other RPers.
Within our debate, my argument has always been that itâs wrong to blame an entire category for a group of trollers. Like, itâs even procedurally wrong: itâs called a fallacy of composition.
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Because if youâre like this here I assume youâre even more rude ingame, where there is less accountability.
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Then why call the rping community toxic? Can you answer that?
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Itâs not blaming all OOCers. The whole point is acknowledging that -alot- of these issues stem from nonRpers, and there is no reason for them to be here if they have no intent -whatsoever- to roleplay.
My worst was, but it it doesnât mean the others were not as bad, and the fact that are -alot- more numerous.
And I disagree with this. While it might have been diffrent before, nowdays there is actually a culture on its own tied to specifically nonRpers. As stated, many streamers and youtubers have created a popular meme that âroleplayers are nerds that deserve to be harassed, its fun guys!â, and this is a mentality that is -extremly- common among people who have no interest in roleplay.
Again, I do not blame. I say that there is a clear general issue with OOCers and it needs to be adressed. Particuarly that there is no valid excuse to why they are on a realm dedicated to roleplaying. See the Chess analogy again, it is really -that- simple. I disagree with -anything- that is opposed to that.
Huh, never called the entire community toxic? I said that itâs a problem it has. Read it this way: considering that there are toxic players within the community maybe we should focus on what encourages such an attitude and actually discourage it, rather than spend our energies on the non-issue that are OOCers (which is also a issue that canât be solved by us). I also said if you donât like toxicity you can pick it up with another issue, like ERP.
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But so far itâs only you who think itâs a non-issue? Everyone else seem to think itâs an issue, with a large group of people thinking itâs a majority issue that needs to be sorted out first.
And this seem to be where the problem lies. You just think itâs not an issue at all, so anything we say is just wrong.
Then the same can be said about the oocers, most of them are find pleasure in griefing and disrupting rp, which is a form of interaction that i donât really want but have little choice when they are all over the place spamming toys or mounts.
edit: when such is happening, can you really blame the community of rpers for not wanting oocers around?
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But you still find them at a fault and suggest we should actively and constantly interact with them in a way that makes them feel unwelcome in the server.
You may not blame them, but you treat them as culprits basically.
Again. This is due to the terrible reactions RPers have had against these people (perhaps they deserved it btw, Iâm not arguing they are right or wrong, just that people had it coming)
There is a difference between thinking that they shouldnât be here but allowing them and actively promoting an attitude which makes their experience of the game worse. That is harassment.
Here we are again. Same argument. In this thread Kelduril argued the same.
Other players in other threads emphasized that the anti-OOC stance is counterproductive
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OOCers usually harass RPers, so then itâs fair trade.
My ex RPâd, and Iâve seen PLENTY of screenshots where she got harassed by OOCers, especially when the Project Douchenozzle guilds started showing.
OOCers is a huge problem. Sure, some arenât (Like myself), but a lot are.
BECAUSE THEY F**KING RUIN IT FOR ROLEPLAYERS!
HOW CAN YOU BE THIS DENSE!?
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There is also diffrent ways to solve this.
While harassment/toxicity is never okay, a roelplayer being toxic is easy to just mute/not roleplay with. An OOC spammer is often visual or using things that affect your character, making it difficult to ignore without logging off the game completly.
Yes, because if they have no intention at all to do the activity this server is dedicated for, ever, I donât see the point of them being here.
False, this has happened long before any reactions, and from talking to some of these people myself, itâs more to do with âItâs just funny, I like it when people get angry its so fun lolâ. As I said before, I think very little of these people.
And Im agreeing a bit with Jessicka, you canât be this dense. Now you are litterally just playing devilâs advocate for the sake of arguing, something I also find a little repulsive, since it falls into the category of âI like people being angry.â
Which is -exactly- what they are doing? Is it not harrasment that OOCers in general promote the idea that roleplay doesnât deserve to exist because its not what they like? This is litterally like walking into a Seafood resturant, then complain loudly that they serve seafood and try to break into the kitchen to replace it all with meat.
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