Jottodog, you’re delusional though, no need to bring your nonsense out here. You guildquit saying you’re joining a friends guild, later under drug abuse you admit it was to get more loot as you were already getting top mage gear in the guild - because you did perform in pve. Now go away and disappear into your fade, ain’t noone interested in your butthurt rant. Keep it ontopic.
I think the real issue as I’ve stated before is a lot of people who pvp, don’t actually like pvp. What they like is the “idea” of pvp or some memory of what pvp was in 2005.
Now we have endless reems of players on the loop to pvp, so they can get better gear, which increases the hph, allowing the to rank even more efficiently, and so on and so on.
Endless legions of players looking to maximize there hph gain. We’ve got to the state where people are actually looking for ways to not play the game as playing it has become so tedious and prohibitive of the required hph to get their bis. A lot of cases a bis that’s only bis for pvp, and even if it is bis for pve it’s not like not having it is going to prevent them clearing naxx.
All these efforts just add value to the top 0.1% of players that get there ranks and shiney purples through this min/maxing and the more the “crowd” try to catch up the higher the bar gets raised, increasing the requirement to do all the dumb crap in the ops post.
And then the cycle continues
constructive solutions would be : allow horde to faction transfer to alliance only, not other way arround cause of the current imbalance, remove bg number, av / wsg honor on same level, REMOVE Bots, track online hours of accountsharers and give them a cooldown if they been online for more then 3 Days. I dont know what blizzard Thinks of current situation but i do agree that this no change policy is not best solution. democratic votes over Changes by the Community should be advertised and made by blizzard. however all the problems we see we could somehow change just working through our Community as players. we could bring some Changes without the help of blizzard but in honestly we paying them cash and not the other way arround so Community + blizzard should work together more
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Now see, this is content. Good.
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Hell no. Decisions made with merit > democratic sheep votes.
Doesn’t prevent premades from forming. Just makes it harder, however doesn’t prevent it completely. This has to do with the mechanisms of matchmaking pool sizes.
In their very roots, the problems all stems from Blizzard not policing their own game anymore. They leave it up to the right-click automated punishment system, and the Warden.
There’s a reason other tech giants, like for example YouTube, still hires people to sift through videos being reported every single day.
Blizzard just doesn’t want to pay for this “luxury”.
well then we have to work as a comunity, mass spam tickets, cry out for new private servers, and go ham vs blizzard, since by now its obvious something weird going on here… constructing solution how to battle blizzard current lack of engagement are welcomed
As someone who happily plays on a PvE server and only does a few WSG from time to time, it’s striking to see what a shtstorm PvP has become. I mean, every single aspect of the game becomes a shtstorm on the forums, but what the OP describes feels different. 8h/day? Charging real money?
I’m still laughing at the “think you do but you don’t” (he will never live it down), but for PvP at least… the Honor system does appear to suck, for reasons that were not immediately obvious to an average player like myself.
A realm community would be able to do this.
The atmosphere of strangers in xrealm matchmaking will never do this to an adequate degree. Ever. There are psychological reasons why this will never happen, and hasn’t happened yet.
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The system is fine, but it’s more the continious behaviour developement in society overall with more cynism and egoism taking over, refined tactics in an old game. Exclusion, elitism and so forth creates a havoc. Impossible to do anything about, it is what it is but dealing immediately with a massive problem like botting should be so natural for Blizzard as it is demotivating so many, it is very frustrating horde side to see 5-15 players afk or running typical bot-patterns and outfarming people just wanting to reach their r10 blue PvP-gear and even the r13-14 rushers.
I can hand on my heart say, that botters made legitimate people who hate cheating activate bots because they no longer care if they get permbanned, they gamble in hope to catch up or to reach their goal. This is major loss on Blizzard’s part as they again are losing a massive opportunity to keeping customers happy and subscriptions ticking in. It’s sad to see my favourite game slipping away, but I guess it’s for the best. I’am a boomer and this was my last chance at nerding out, was hoping it’d turn out better than this.
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This is a natural sociological pattern that emerges when laws aren’t enforced in societies. It makes breaking the laws more attractive when there isn’t a perceived danger in place of being punished for it.
The same pattern is what you just described, in the game.
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we dont have to be on same realm to spam tickets and other crative solutions to annoy them as much as possible
Oh, you didn’t mean to spam reports? Well, the ticket creation is a service which they’ve got terms for. You’re not the first to have thought of spamming them with ticket creations for whatever frustrates you, which they later created a company policy for which is to disable your ability to create tickets for a “cooldown period” if you start abusing it.
Nice try, but try again.
Just to clarify for any new reader, the problems described in this entire thread are caused by Blizzard’s incompetence. This thread wouldn’t be a thing if they’d properly police their own game.
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okey so whats the Point you trying to make? we should just accept how it is or quit ? i see alot of negative we cannot sentences. what i was asking for was things we could do and not things we cant. obviously a blizzard troll
Hello.I can also agree. But in my opinion the biggest problem are players. If Blizz will add AB or change honor gain on AV nothing will change couse players will be playing 20h/day AB or WSG and we will have simular situation .Only change will be that horde could join in premades but it will took same amount of time to reach high rank.
That isn’t what I said and isn’t my point at all.
It’s simply to direct the complaints to where they belong.
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Nah mate, the problem is bots are flooding the lower brackets where more casual players would be getting their r8 and r10 gear. These bots aren’t paid much attention too as they don’t annoy top rankers as much, but they are the biggest pool of bots and they add the massive queue times to horde. Then you have people who activate bots during the period they’re asleep or at work, often these players also do not want to stack honor - thus making people at higher ranks having to push +5-10 more hours every day to keep outfarming then. It’s basic greedy and egoistic behaviour, just hurting them and everyone else. Sadly Blizzard has barely banne any botters, it took us +500 reports to get a player called Ond banned and he was botting relentlessly 24/7 and made it early to r12.
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My solution for BOTs - after AV end You will no longer respawn near to guy that You are signingup but for example in Innkeeper place - problem solved.
My solution for Ally AV premades - hide numer of AV that You are getting into - problem solved.
My solution for playing 20h/day - get top 300 pppl from Your server to discord and setup CAP for Your server for every single rank - problem solved.
Rankings, it’s mindlessness and rewards are completely optional.
It’s not for everyone, it’s not supposed to be easy. It is competition against your peers and you signed up for it. R14 is reachable with 10k honor a week if nobody goes above that.
Rankers collectively set the bar so high, and deal with the consequences. If you want to push yourself into stupid unhealthy grind, that’s on you.
All content is clearable in the game with far less, to a high degree with the gear that already exists.
Only one forcing anyone to rank is the player himself.
Is the system stupid? Yes. But you knew what you signed up for.
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Well a system that breaks apart when people behave selfishly is not a good system in my book. It’s more like something that could be fine, but isn’t.
IMO it’s a stretch to call it Blizzard’s fault. They didn’t want to do Classic in the first place, but players (myself included) insisted and eventually got what they asked for. Which is all good and I’d do it again, but it was inevitable that something somewhere showed its age. As it turned out, it was Alterac Valley.
Except this version of av is the pre tbc version and nobody actually ranked in av in vanilla at all.
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