Exactly, couldn’t have said it better!
I’m glad someone else can see the light!
listen u troll this is about bots and accountsharer and blizzard dont care, wtf dont change subject you troll
Some changes mean no cross-realm battlegrounds except for some low-pop realms that might be merged in a battlegroup. Then turn off realm transfers except FCM, and maybe enable FCM faction change if global population is imbalanced.
This will make it harder to cooperate and conspire.
great post, r8 it 8/8 m8
Blizz, delete AV please
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Except this version of av is the pre tbc version and nobody actually ranked in av in vanilla at all.
^This
There’s much more into this than botting.
That said, I agree botting easily amplifies the problems and should by default not exist, or be a thing in the first place.
Not trying to mock you, but i serieusly have no idea what you try to say.
@Op
As Horde, I understand your concern.
I’m 100% with you, the state of the game is disgusting.
But I don’t want any changes. I want the meta to stay the same, because it’s started with that, changes in the middle will completely destroy the Alliance and Horde brackets. If Blizzard make changes about the ranking meta, by nerfing AV, I can safely say more than 25% of player base will just quit Classic forever because they’ll not be able to get their bracket like we do every week.
Alliance are organized to make AV run in premade, and they organize brackets. It’s good for them to have some sort of breath from the World PvP. Killing Horde on gy make them happy, and they can organize brackets. When you get killed 15 times to go BRM, having the opportunity to kill “ZUG ZUG” (like they said) is for them, some sort of enjoyment.
Horde can solo rank, you can literally SOLO rank. You don’t need to cry to a premade or apply like “PLEASE PICK ME PLEASE” to get your ranks. Check the amount of Alliance players that want to go into VIP Premade, there’s like 1 thousand posts. They have to suck d*** to get their ranks otherwise they get nothing. And 95% will never get any response to their apply, because they are not needed, there’s enough good players. They will just never get high ranks because Alliance is a mafia.
You can get your ranks, by yourself, as Horde, and it’s very valuable. There’s no organization (for most servers), so anyone can push himself. Yes, it’s unhealthy, but after all, it’s not “AV premade fault”, the unhealthy fault is due to the massive -20% decay every week. Yes, it’s not fair for all class, Rogue have easy time in Wetlands and Ironforge, but it’s like that.
I don’t want changes, I don’t want the brackets to be screwed by changes, I don’t want Alliance being unable to premade.
And I don’t want WSG meta or Arathi Bassin meta, hell no. This is literally the worst things ever made. That mean you have to suck d*** to get into the biggest premade for WSG as Horde, so you can’t solo rank by yourself because everyone know WSG as pug or with the worst premade is 0 honor. So basicly, the WSG Premade is like calling for a Horde mafia. I don’t want a Mafia, I want to get my ranks without the help of others players.
So please, #NoChange.
The only changes I want is a massive reduction of decay : from -20% to -5% every week for example. Bots problem is easily solvable by killing the WoW macro API to join a battleground and leave a battleground.
Accept Classic like it is. If you change something in the meta, you’ll destroy the work of 3 month for all high rankers.
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This is why I have always been ambivalent towards changes.
Lets face it, Vanilla WoW is not a great game, it’s buggy, unfinished, is chock full of poorly thought out systems that-lets face it-no one has ever really liked and most of it’s popularity came from TBC/WotLK where the gameplay was more fleshed out and interesting.
I think they should have done Classic as a remaster rather than a rehash, that way they could have improved all the crappier aspects like the ranking system, improved the class design and improved PvE/PvP content.
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Yeah I agree, let’s forgot Classic and think about the future : TBC and WOTLK.
Push Blizzard to do TBC and then WOTLK.
Accept Classic like it is : a big mess of thing that is not correctly tuned.
Vanilla was popular because of the 2004 mentality (online game was, for most of us, new), and the first MMORPG with Warcraft lore + 3D. It’s not a great game for 2020.
TBC and WOTLK was why WoW is now famous, and are great game for this epoch.
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The possibility to do so, or rather the way you’re forced to do so right now, is a huge social design failure. It’s the same social design failure plaguing retail. Classic is meant to be the social alternative to retail by design, but only the large eu pool for the horde side haven’t received that option yet for PvP.
Luckily, with gear upgrades, wsg (and especially ab) will become the better source of honor per hour later for horde. It just requires a high winning percentage to beat the honor per hour from AV, and a short average length per match together with a shorter queue time than for AV.
You seem to assume people can’t create social networks without it leading to the worst possible behavior, but that isn’t true. Premades can form, and much likelier to do so for the smaller BGs, without that financial exploitation or toxicity, and just be a group bonding with each other as they have fun.
Solo play belongs in diablo. Not in classic. The extremely boring way you have to rank right now makes it into an extrinsic reward loop, while the need to socially network would make it into an intrinsic reward loop.
Basically you’d feel better about playing if you wouldn’t be forced to do it solo, and instead do it with people you know/get to know.
Solo players should go to the back of the bus.
How is Alliance not being able to form a premade (at least by hiding AV number) a bad solution in this scenario?
Just fix your brackets…
If you think no changes is a thing, you’re a muppet. It’s a myth.
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Just the fact I can’t competetively rank with my friends, who are the sole reason I like to struggle through ranking is enough, I have unsubbed my accounts and should nothing be announced regarding bots ruining the game I’am just done. I don’t feel like wasting more of my time. Unfortunately, with me a couple hundred players in our community guild will most likely quit as well. Unfortunately this is the plan of many others, shame classic was neglected blatantly like this.
Simple fixes like actually banning or freezing bots would change everything, removing passive honor in alterac valley or make the honor gain range-based so you have to be x 100 yards from example Balinda, change it so that people who do not leave spawn within two minutes get instantly kicked out of the bg, make people able to group queue battlegrounds and relase arathi basin plus bg weekends for wsg/ab.
I can agree with everything you said until this.
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If that would be the case the Q times would get lower for Horde, but its still on the rise…
You cant do these 2 to costumers.
The other suggestions are good, but these 2 are a no go.
Sad thing is that they will do no changes whatsoever yet fixes are more than easy to implement. They are not even handling bots (though, a lot have quit botting after “deranking” videos showed up on web)…
Seems like they do not care at all about classic. They are giving us carrot on a stick every now and then (BWL inc) and sad truth is that will keep enough people playing (me included probably).
It is what it is I guess.
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Generally speaking the queue times are stabilized. I think that slight rising is due to the fact that less alliance casuals are bothering with the current toxic state of pvp. Then again what I said can be said about horde casuals quitting, thats why queue times are stable-ish.
But still imagine that you are an average alliance player who wants rank 6-8, but in order to do so you have to join a premade and play for more than 4 hours a day. You won’t even consider doing it because you have life/family/work/whatever. So the other option for you is get your butt handed to you over and over again in pug (unless you luckily land in a premade av spot). Horde casuals have their own reason of quitting pvp (bots, account sharing, alli premades, long queue), but generally speaking pvp wise a solo horde player has it A LOT better than a solo alliance one so they might stay for longer.
And I’m not using word casual as an offense of any sort or as a way of looking down on someone, more of a handy term for players who can’t invest 6+ hours in a game on regular daily basis.
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You will got nowhere by playing 4 hours a day as horde.