imagine 40 mages in AV , toxic AF
If that would ever be a thing, why wasn’t it a thing when Alliance could premade before the hotfixes? Perhaps… because it isn’t good?
The maps are not “mirrored” in any bg. But the huge difference is that you can’t defend in the same way. You don’t have a million pve players grinding rep for easy to get epic pve items that just want the game to end asap so they can queue for the next. Compare that to Horde who waited 50min in queue and now will fight and defend for as long as it takes and had a lot of practice against premades.
I have played emulated Vanilla since 2015.
I have played both Horde and Alliance on many different private servers. I have also played Alliance in Classic AV when it was first released.
In classic; Alliance pugs won all the time, usually in 10-15min. I never joined a premade. When both sides rushed Alliance usually won. But then Horde adapted and started to defend. And suddenly the Honor/hour became crap for Alliance who had insta queue. This meant that any alliance that gave a damn about honor stopped playing AV.
NOT because they could not win, but because they could not win fast enough. So you ended up with half the Alliance team AFK just wanting the game to end asap so they could get their rep because that what most Alliance only care about. No alliance want a 1h game with 50/50 win ratio in AV with insta queue. Then it makes no sense to play AV. So the motivated Alliance that want honor ranking rather play WSG/AB and the rep grinders that just want games to end asap play AV.
Alliance are generally more PvE focused and there are several pve pre bis epics in AV that you can get while watching Youtube on your second screen.
Meanwhile Horde with the long queue don’t mind a long game and as long as Horde defend hard Alliance will break, and by break I mean, half the team will go afk and wait for it to end. And this means that Horde get pretty good honor in AV and this motivates them even more.
That’s why Alliance lose AV all the time. It has nothing to do with the map or skill. It’s a catch-22 for Alliance due to unfortunate circumstances based on the queue and reward system. It’s just not WORTH it to play long games in AV for Alliance even if they CAN win. This is not something an individual or party size grp can change.
In fact alliance have the advantage because it’s easier to defend the alliance base and take the horde base. So if you have 2 team that mainly care about winning, Alliance have the advantage. BUT, in Classic, winning a game is not the important thing.Rep and honor efficiency is and it’s not efficient for Alliance to pug AV with instant queue and fight till the end after over an hour, so, half the team is afk or just want it to end as fast as possible while they get some HKs and lieutenants.
So by all means, flip the map. It would be super easy for Horde to hold the Alliance base and take the Horde base. Horde would be just as motivated to stall as always and Alliance would just want the game to end as fast as possible like always. The map have no effect on that.
You really go out of the way to defend you’r advantage.
What are you so afraid of? Can’t win in AB/WSG so all you have is AV?
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How dense do you have to be to not see how a LITERAL headstart gives you an advantage.
OP’s username does NOT check out.
I would welcome a map flip, and may even play a couple games if they do it. Just to see how much quicker I can get to mid as a Horde player.
This would be fun but why not make it permanent? The reality is that the stronger team usually wins (Come on, if one team can wipe the other every time, even when fighting AWAY from their own GY and close to enemy GY, obviously they will win). The map is not nearly imbalanced enough to justify the huge discrepancy in win/loss-rate.
What I think would happen is this: Alliance win rate increases slightly when some more PvP oriented alliance players start to join AV due to this change (and maybe the map helps them win a little in a few cases). Then it goes back down when they realize changing the map wasn’t enough to get them free wins.
You don’t seem to get it. You’re literally admitting that there is a map advantage for the horde, and yet you say it has no real effect.
How does that work?
And you’re spouting about ‘free wins’ as if the horde aren’t being handed them on a golden shiny platter.
The egregiousness…
You having a 90%+ lose rate doesn’t mean that Horde have a 90%+ win rate.
Horde also get matched against Russians in AV. Who do you think wins then? The Russians.
And no, it isn’t because Putin leads them to victory using a battlebear and an arsenal of hackers.
But it isn’t ‘just me’ having this, and it’s not 90%. It’s closer to 100% than 90% you draenei you.
What do russians have to do with how balanced the map is? I don’t understand.
thats ur main issue u should realy work on: u dont understand.
Ok good argument.
Simple, you human you.
If Russian Alliance have an absurdly high win rate in AV, that means that there’s clearly more variables to this whole debacle than simple “map imbalance”. I believe Asia don’t have an AV imbalance problem either, it’s just us Europeans and the US.
Yes there are variables. You can always play it wrong. But if you have an advantage that lets you win 98% of the games or so, and you don’t use it, it’s on you.
If you don’t use that advantage because you just don’t know about it, then ok…
But the fact REMAINS THE SAME. There is a glaring balance issue with AV that is letting the horde dominate almost every single game.
Almost every single game HERE. Other regions don’t have the same problem, yet they have the exact same map.
Know what the difference is between our region and other regions? The players. The playerbase is the variable.
Please read what I’m actually saying to you instead of just repeating yourself as if I said nothing. You’re trying to counter the wrong argument.
It appears that you have completely negated my last post regarding this exact issue you are commenting on.
I don’t know if it’s willful ignorance or general cluelessness.
Just because one tribe uses a spear’s blunt end trying to penetrate enemies in combat, doesn’t mean that that’s what everyone is doing with spears.
STOP YOUR NONSENSE.
Read what I’m actually telling you. Read what others are telling you.
We’re still at square one here and haven’t gotten past “There isn’t a huge Horde wun difference in other regions, yet the AV map remains the same”. Not only have you NOT countered this point, you’ve completely ignored it.
For the life of me I can not understand how a sensible human being can arrive at that conclusion.
So it’s either A) willful ignorance, or B) general cluelessness.
Your conclusion is what you get when you lack information. You’re looking at a complicated sequence, ignoring every single variable and saying “Horde advantage”.
My proof for this conclusion? You’ve made no effort to mention how the Russian and Asian Alliance still win a significant number of their AVs. They’re playing the EXACT same map as us.
I already told you this before, but I guess I will repeat myself one more time:
Now… Just because they are playing the same map as us, doesn’t mean they are playing it in the same way.