AV not balanced? Really?

[Valkia-mirage-raceway]

@Fantashtic-gandling

Your asking why a pre made could win in under 10 minutes and yet a PuG can’t? I don’t know it might be because they have no AFKers or bots on the team but please keep up with the “Horde have them too” because we both know that it’s far less severe for Horde. Alliance AFK/Botter problem is the downside of instant queues as it’s much less efficient to do on Horde so you have less. The upside to instant queues was that Alliance could queue sync to pre made and yet Blizzard fixed one and completely ignored the other so on top of map advantage Alliance have to deal with other issues.

This is such a dumb point.
Why would botting only be effective when you got faster queues?
The PvP system doesn’t make you compete against the other faction, it’s against your own faction.
I thought those shoulders you’re wearing are PvP ones, maybe you bought the account because you’d surely know how the system works if you’ve gotten to Rank10+ before.

And we DO have bots and AFK’ers on Horde side too. Trust me man, I’ve got 90k honor kills and hit Warlord rank.
I’ve seen plenty of them around to know it’s a problem affecting both sides and not just the Alliance side.

[Fantashtic-gandling]

Because an Alliance bot runs AV over and over again due to instant queues where as a Horde bot would have over an hour queue for AV and have to queue for WSG/AB - botting in WSG/AB is a lot less efficient because 9 v 10 is a lot more severe than 39 v 40 so the H/PH would be terrible. Not only that as you quite correctly said ranking is against your own faction and Horde are the most played faction and this means more people ranking and more competition for places in brackets with higher bracket caps. In general this makes ranking on Horde a lot harder than ranking on Alliance.

Also I didn’t say you had NO bots or AFKers I said it was LESS severe than on Alliance.

Really? Cus that’s kinda my take away from them patching it out.
But sure, keep telling yourself it wasn’t cheating, you dirty cheater.

So does that mean your take away from Blizzard back in the day was that AV was Horde favored and they had map advantage since they moved the horde starting cave back during TBC?

[Bewarê-frostmane]

@Fantashtic-gandling

So does that mean your take away from Blizzard back in the day was that AV was Horde favored and they had map advantage since they moved the horde starting cave back during TBC?

It’s amazing how stupid people can be…

@Bewarê-frostmane

Oh, you want to talk about that now? Ok.

So, in the olden days, when Burning Crusade was Crusading and Burning, Blizzard changed Alterac Valley pretty much entirely in Patch 2.3.0.

They brought in reinforcements (still a thing in refail today), they removed Commanders/Lieutenants from the map, they increased the honor gain from destroying towers/bunkers, they reduced the time it takes to capture from 5 minutes down to 4 minutes, they removed half of the warmasters/marshals for both factions so that you couldn’t get new ones to spawn by burning a tower/bunker however you could still despawn the enemy warmasters/marshals by burning a tower/bunker.

In this patch, most importantly, they also made it so players can only resurrect in caves once ALL of the faction’s graveyards have been lost.

They also made most of the elites in faction bases into non-elites.

They had STILL NOT MOVED THE CAVE .

Ok, so you’d now imagine “how did this impact the meta?”. Well, it made it so elites weren’t slowing down players rushing, and teams that were geared enough were actually just rushing straight into the enemy boss and it became a rush war from both factions for the most part. WIth no PvP whatsoever.

Because of the reduced capture timer, as well as removal of elites and all that, as well as bringing in reinforcements , the distance to the first bunker vs. the distance to the first tower mattered a lot more as well.

So what Blizzard did in Patch 2.4.0 was reduce the health of Vanndar and Balinda to match the Horde counterparts, as well as bringing in basically an “anti-rush” mechanic.

They made it so every warmaster/marshal INCREASED the health & damage of every other warmaster/marshal AS WELL AS THE BOSS(!) by 25% for each warmaster/marshal nearby, with an aura.

THIS was the patch they moved the Horde cave in. For those reasons.

Read the rest of the thread if you’re wondering about details.

But simply put, it was because the distance to the first enemy node mattered a lot more because of reduced capture time, removal of elites, and the implementation of reinforcements as a win condition.
They had already made it so players wouldn’t respawn in the caves until all of the faction’s graveyards have been lost in patch 2.3.0. And it’s not an advantage to fight closer to the enemy graveyard, according to every single Alliance player complaining about AV.
The cave was moved in 2.4.0, and that change had literally NOTHING to do with respawns.

[Fantashtic-gandling]

Keep telling yourself that buddy.

[Bewarê-frostmane]

@Fantashtic-gandling

Keep telling yourself that buddy.

Learn to read. Then learn to think. Don’t worry, you’ll get there eventually. Friend.

[Fantashtic-gandling]

So passive aggressive. Perhaps you should go get some sunlight on your skin.

[Bewarê-frostmane]

@Fantashtic-gandling

So passive aggressive. Perhaps you should go get some sunlight on your skin.

Don’t worry, your stupidity is shining brightly for everyone to bask in for an eternity.

But ok, to break this loop, how about you try countering what was said instead? You know, to act like you can think? Instead of acting like this:

@Fantashtic-gandling

Keep telling yourself that buddy.

Because that doesn’t actually counter anything.

[Kampfpanzer-ashbringer]

To the people saying Blizzard fixed Alliance AV premades because Horde cried: Did you guys solo queue as alliance in December 2019?

I did a lot of solo queuing with this warrior, and I can tell you IT SUCKED!

We would start many games as 20ish people because the premaders would drop queue so they could get a perfect or near-perfect setup of 3-4 tanks, 8 healers and rest dps. Moreover, some of those 20ish people on alliance side would be leechers or bots. Now imagine how you could stand a chance against a full horde team. By the time we got 40 alliance players in the battleground, we would be pushed back to Stormpike or the cave.

There was a bunch of alliance players outraged at the sorry state of this battleground. Even some of the premaders hated the current meta because it allowed everyone to grind ridiculous amounts of honour and pushed the brackets over the top.

Alliance also cried. Blizzard heard both sides and fixed the queue.

Please don’t try to promote your narrative of how Blizzard is horde biased and only fixes things detrimental to the horde.