There is now an exploit for alliance Premades too abuse the queue system and get 25-30 players games. It goes like this:
A player reports to his game to a premade discord when a game is 3-4 mins away from a Drek kill or Horde Win.
Up to 8, 5 man groups queue for that battleground number.
They wait until the game is finished and then those groups mentioned in point 2, are funnelled into a new game.
So this is what I suggest Blizzard do. Remove the numbers of the AV battlegrounds from the Battle Master selection screen. Do it next reset else we are just going to have another Month of PvE Alterac Valley Heroes.
Get rid of this exploit so real PvPers get Grand Marshal and ranks actually mean something.
Sick of PvE heroes getting high ranks. Its disgusting.
The problem is that the numerical IDs to BG instances is a relic from realm-only queues on servers with population caps roughly 1/3rd of what they are now, and now itâs used together with retailâs xrealm matchmaking system.
They werenât designed to co-exist, ever. It was just thrown together.
Even in burning crusade, which was not a long time after battlegroup matchmaking was introduced, they changed the way the numbers worked to throw off coordinated queues.
Hey, at least theyâre no longer creating empty BGâs where the rest of pug Alliance gets screwed over because they start with too few players, so itâs something i guess.
Are you seriously whining because you canât win 100% of every game anymore? Thatâs disgusting. People get a little organised and you jump on the forums to whine about. When you play in alliance pugs 99% of the time it feels like you face a Horde premade, but when 1% of you face a team you can not easily beat you whine?
Blizzard will obviously fix it so there is only âqueue for random battlegroundâ option.
They should also ban everyone who exploited this for 30 days and remove all honor gained.
Keep reporting these players for cheating, every single one of them!
if it was something in pve it would be called âefficiencyâ or âmin maxingâ or similar, but cause its pvp its now âexploitâ and âcheatingâ
when is leaving raid to scout for jed ever called exploit or cheating
Plenty of cases where PvE exploits with instances resulted in a ban and removal of all the loot though. AV Premade raid was clearly not intended because otherwise the âjoin as group/raidâ would have been activated at the battlemaster since the start. At the very last after the recent changes with the public forum post clarifying the adjustments itâs been made clear to everyone premade raids are not supposed to happen.
So if you knowingly are trying to find ways around this system, then yes, one could argue itâs an exploit and honor/rank should be removed.
this is bad reasoning. if im trading an npc through a wall thats also âââclearlyâââ unintended but is it an exploit or just how the game functions the way it was designed
and again bliz making changes is not necessarily evidence of what is âallowedâ as they may just be caving to player demand âdo xâ
thats IS the reason but its a player idea for something players want. its not bliz going out and saying premading isnt allowed we are gonna ban ya if you do it. so its not cheating its just creative use of game mechanics, the results of which some players dont like, and then they ask bliz to do this or that to âfixâ it and bliz goes well ok if its so important to yall subs we can try
I agree with you, personally I always thought if I can do something in the game world itâs allowed, itâs up the developers to set up proper limitation if things shouldnât be possible, itâs their game after all and players have the natural tendency to play the game and utilize the world to their advantage, that is what a game inherently is.
But from past experiences they can and will pursue the argumentation somehow players are responsible for their poor thoughtout solutions and coding.
Seems to be ok, the NA forum is complaining about it as well so now Blizzard will be put to the test to see if they actually do take a stance against this player behavior or not.
Because, funny as it is, they still havenât actually acknowledged it to be happening in the first place.
Itâd be one thing if it was only happening in EU, then Blizzard would probably never even care about it. But luckily itâs also happening in NA.
PS:
The worst they could do is make the queuing process exactly like retail. Not only would it stray even FURTHER away from Vanilla than it already has, itâd actually only make it possible for the Russian matchmaking pool to create premades, the same way it was done for years in retail by the many smaller matchmaking pools (most notably the Russian & German pools).
So what is needed is to bring down the sizes of the matchmaking pools altogether, and avoid this garbage matchmaking size brought over from retail.
Bringing it down to proper vanilla values would make it better for everyone.
Either that or they should just allow full raids to queue for AV, and remove this meaningless limitation to max 5 people in the same group queue.
As far as i know, Blizzard does not (always) give reasons for a ban. So it should be relatively simple to find a few hundred of these players by monitoring their in-game behavior and then make an example of them.
basically we have to categorically consider something allowed if ppl dont get banned for it