cheats; i.e. methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard, influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods;
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Well, then technically killing a player 20 levels below you would fall under this same category of game exploitation
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Individualy queuing is expressly authorized by blizz tho. It doesn’t say anywhere you can’t queue at the same time as a friend.
You are not making any point here
Nobody is cheating
You just look more and more the fool heading toward vegetable
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Enable raid queue for both sides. That’s all. One side can do it, the other cannot.
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Oh you two fine, bright, barely thinking individuals, seem to fail to understand the point that it’s not a function made expressly available to everyone. It’s in fact a function expressly made unavailable to everyone. It’s only by exploiting the matchmaking system, and only possible for the smaller matchmaking pools, to queue up at the same time that the intended purpose of a random matchmaking system gets entirely bypassed.
That falls under the technical definition of exploitation.
Deny it 'til your dying breath, it doesn’t change the facts.
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Blizz can add group queuing whenever they like - but they won’t - because it would screw queue times
They are opening and filling one AV at a time
If they changed that the issue would start to evaporate
Source??? I’m not saying it wouldn’t mess with the queue times, but where’s your source for saying that’s why they won’t do it?
Look - you really are a fool
You have no point at all
I understand your argument - but it cannot be applied to AV because Blizz choose how the queue works
And they have chosen that individuals click to join and that only one AV instance is open at any time and no new one opens until the last one is full
Their decision facilitates folk queuing together hitting the same BG
They have designed AV to work in a way you dislike
But they cannot punish an individual for joining a queue as an individual they can only join as an individual
You have no argument - you are just trying to be intelligent regarding a debate that fame none - needs none - to understand
Nobody can possibly breach Blizz rules by queuing for AV
You’re still wrong, what they do is facilitated by bliz, nothing wrong with queueing together. Hell on alliance side they might queue 5 minutes appart and still end up in the same av. Why can you choose which av to queue for if what you say is right in the first place? Why does bliz group all cyrillic players in one queue and then puts them against any other eu queued group, thats a very small pool of players to allow to queue together dear.
It’s why battlegroups were brought to live back in vanilla and then further expanded to the xream bg we know now. In early vanilla you could have 3-4hr q for av
Alliance can’t queue as raid 
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They do it every game now. You’re pretending it doesn’t exist. The last 10 AVs in a row had 35-40 players from the same server/guild.
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its funny how you pretend this AV premade workaround (wouldn’t call it cheating though) doesn’t exist and that it isn’t a problem.
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No no, he acknowledges that it exists. He just doesn’t think it fits into the definition of a premade because of the technicality that it isn’t done by clicking on a “Join as Group”-button at the NPC, by a group/raid leader.
This quote explains the perspective he’s trying to push, in greater detail. It also displays to any sane person why it’s so ridiculous to claim such a thing.
Just watch Maitoz (APES ’ GM) on his Twitch channel and you’ll see how he’s getting APES’ premade into AV.Je
Basic use of Voice Comms.
just played against one of his premades.
we went out of our way to go heavy defense just to trigger him, and it worked lol.
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No add-on needed, just voicecoms. 3-2-1-que. 20+ get into the same AV, the rest wait 7min and the you go again.
I will be very clear about this - both sides can use the ‘pre-made’ addon to queue at the same time.
It is therefore fair.
The reason it doesn’t work as well for horde is due to faction imbalance in xrealm BGs. We have a level playing field but the sheer number of horde means that until less horde do AV they won’t be able to use the addon effectively.
That it not cheating whatsoever. When horde move over to WSG pre-mades/AB for more effective honor p/hr, then it will level out.
That there are so many horde queuing for AV that it makes use of classicpremade addon irrelevant is not the fault of the fewer numbers of alliance getting instant queues and therefore being able to take advantage of the addon.
Reading this thread has given me eye cancer…
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Reading this thread has given me eye cancer…
Welcome to the forums.
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