Ate you thick?bots are in av because thats where they get the most honor atm
So why would they suddenly get more in wsg/ab?
Because atm ab/wsg is mostly prem v prem
If you switch it so prem q vs prem, and pug q pug, then ab/wsg would be better honor for bot, and for some classes, honor for bot would be better than honor made by below average premade
How is that more bots though? Isnât that the same amount of bots but spread across different battlegrounds?
Its more because they will actualy have a chance of reaching high brackets
Bots can reach any bracket they want to risk since they can play 24/7.
I donât think that is a legitimate reason to disregard separate queues.
Not much can be done at this point of the game other than maybe reverting the queue changes they did or making massive map changes that they arenât going to. Why would you willingly play a BG where you have to fight an uphill battle on an imbalanced map with almost no hope of winning unless the opposing team is absolutely terrible? Itâs not fun. Most people are there just for the rep. They donât know how to play the map at all and are only interested in getting it ASAP and then never queue AV again. The rest are there for honor and since you get better hph if you lose 2 games in 30 minutes rather than win 1 in 1h they are incentivised to go for dumb strategies that lose the game 100% of the time (like sending 10 ppl to backdoor LTs - but not towers or GYs - and dooming the SH defence by doing so) but are more efficient in terms of honor. So the only people left playing on Alliance are people that donât know how to play the map and people that arenât interested in going for a win since itâs not efficient to do so.
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Iâm not sure the map is so imbalanced as you say⌠are you sure horde do not just use the advantages they have better than the alliance do? Both sides have parts of the map that favour them.
Well it is. Taking IB GY is nearly impossible as long as Horde defend it and retaking it is simple. Meanwhile taking SH is easy and retaking it is nearly impossible. Which are these supposed Alliance advantages on the map if I may ask?
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Why is IB easier to take back than SH? I just mean there are certain points on the map that favour a defensive strategy, for both sides (choke points)
Because Horde respawn closer and in greater numbers for starters. Not to mention Alliance defending IB have to retreat into a narrow passage (like when defending SH for Alliance) while Horde can stay in the open while defending SH. Just throwing out general terms like âboth sides have certain pointsâŚâ isnât exactly helpful. Give some examples and we can talk about them. Sure both sides have various chokes and defensive positions. Itâs just that the main Horde choke is more easily defended than any Alliance one and itâs extremely easy for Horde to trap the Alliance south by taking SH while the inverse is almost impossible.
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Yeah when I say different points I mean for example⌠the bridge leading into the alliance base is savage to cross as horde and a coordinated defence could use that to their advantage. I did not realise AV let more horde resurrect than alliance? âin greater numbers?â Alliance spawn point is not a perfect mirror of the horde one I suppose? Iâd be interested to see how many more seconds it takes alliance to get to SH than it does horde to reach IB.
Ofc a rush tactic hugely benefits alliance teams but they have stopped rushing now and try to defend instead.
Yes when retaking IB Horde get sent to their starting cave which respawns 20 people at a time unlike SP (where Alliance trying to retake SH get sent to) which respawns 10 and itâs also closer to IB than SP is to SH (I think itâs 50 secs vs 35 secs of travel - thereâs a video about it but canât find it right now).
Horde also have an almost identical choke leading up to their base and itâs never used for the same reason the bridge is never used. The defenders of the 2nd GY get sent to the starting cave when itâs lost and canât get into position before the other team is past the choke. Also those chokes hardly matter as the vast majority of games are over way before they are relevant when Horde take SH and trap the Alliance north.
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Iâd agree that is clearly advantages to the horde in them situations.
There are of course areas of the map that alliance are closer too (for example when defending their spawn is right next to their base)
I am only assuming here but if the current crop of horde AV-goers had that advantage they would sit deeper and defend to grind out wins, which is why I felt mentality played a huge part in the imbalance we currently see.
Do you not think motivation is a huge part of winning AV atm? 1h+ queue time makes you try a lot harder than an insta-pop
Again that hardly matters as the game is lost when SH is taken and Alliance are trapped North. All defensive strategies beyond that point will simply prolong the game but they wonât make Alliance win.
The reason Horde queues are so long is that Alliance donât want to play AV because itâs not fun to play such an imbalanced BG. Why would you when you can queue a BG with a more or less symmetrical map where you have a close to 50/50 winrate (provided youâre not against a premade)?
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Yea so basicly only one advantage ali has is defense, when done right (gl with pugs) and that doesnt makes you win as u have to push for that, so only advantage is ali has is gona makes game longer thus even less honor per hour⌠Briliant
Stop being obsessed with winning and try to farm as much as HK as possible, one HK wont give you that much honor but over time its bring in large amount of honor.
Yeah alliance base is easier to defend. But at that point, youâbe already lost the game. You never recover and win a game where you are defending bridge.
AV in pickup is a race to the first offensive cemetary and horde have the advantage there. Also, if you try to recall to wipe the enemy offense, Galv will help you while Vanndar just stares at you getting murdered without reacting (Iâve been killed on his body withouthim moving)
Because it is almost always against a premade in the other bgâs.
You could sneak around the horde murderball?
Still the winrate is higher in all other BGs even with many premades.
Yes there are ways to win as Alliance. Itâs just harder than as Horde and requires a more convoluted strategy that youâre not likely to pull of as a pug while also requiring the horde to be absolutely terrible.
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