I think if the spawn priority for horde dying at IB, when it’s contested or ally controlled, is changed from the cave to FW gy it would make it a lot more enjoyable for ally. As it stands, the pressure horde can put on IB gy is crazy with the cave spawn.
I don’t think it’ll change the win rate considerably, I think there’s more issues with the type of players that join AV on both sides that cause the current imbalance.
Only noobs still q av
You know why we consider it a waste of time? Because we need to keep casualties at half of the Horde’s if we want to have a chance at it and we have to do it while either taking and defending the towers or getting melted by archers. All the Horde needs to is sending 5 ppl to backdoor and force us in retreat because we have 1 elite less and he spends his time walking from base to gy.
On the long run, the Horde will recap unless they are so much worse than the Alliance that we wouldn’t have needed to cap the gy to begin with.
I am not talking about those who give up because they believe they eventually gonna lose. More about those who prefer a very fast lose than a very long win.
Also take into consideration, that their mentality, affect yours and others outcome (and later mentality also).
PS: 25min defeat or 1.5hour win?
Any player thats has a near instant q to a bg and is playing for honor/rep will prefer a very fast loss over a slow win. That is simply human nature, and nothing will ever change that. Only an idiot would not come the realisation that putting in less effort for more rewards is in fact the best course of action. The only way to actualy balance av is to make it so that alliance and horde q times are similar
The thing is that given the situation there is a higher chance to be a 20 min lose or a 1.5 hr lose with some kills meanwhile.
The only times Alliance consistently has a chance at winning is against Russian rushers.
20 straight losses in AV over the last 2 days. Something’s not right…
hey just letting you know… just dont que it until friday. then que again. 2 different worlds I promise.
unlike Classic that has completely unplayable specs on which you can work 15 years and still do crap 
Hitting exalted and never setting foot in AV again is the way forward.
see that’s where you’re wrong… check the link that you posted again.
the fact i, as enhancement is only 4 points behind you on “best perf” is quite stunning and makes you look bad since you’re a god damn mage.
but the fact you felt the need to compare your logs with an enha shaman and almost come out of it losing is cute 
a little insecure in your own abilities, sir?
oh and comparing pve to pvp lmao, i’d smash your face in, in a single hit in pvp and you know it.
you strike me as the “what the F*** did you just say to me you little b***** i have 157 confirmed kills”-kinda guy lol.
ps: and you can’t expect from 40 random players, among which are fresh 60s with 60 mounts, green geared players, low levels and questers, to have a crazy level of coordination and performance. Horde can push SH gy without a high level of coordination, alliance can’t. The reason is the map design, simple, basic, and period.
so its alright for you to assume my pve (and pvp) raids are made up of max ranked top tier geared players, but its unreasonable that i would expect the same from you? yeah im sure every AV is just high warlords on horde vs scouts on alliance. cry me a god damn river. now go lose some more in AV, loser, its what you do best.
actually, in my personal experience horde wins every AB and WSG if they are pug vs pug, especially at lvl 60. when alliance premade and horde pugs we usually lose (duh) but my anecdotal experience when it comes to pug vs. pug is that horde not only wins, but beats the alliance into the ground in most cases.
and this goes for all level tiers, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49, 50-59 and 60.
there is a reason i managed to get exalted with defilers on my lvl 57 warlock and managed to reach rank 6 before i was level 50. bgs were simply too enjoyable for me to rush the leveling process, but i did pvp at every single level tier, and the horde overwhelmingly dominated all of them.
Are you drunk, blind or really that stupid?
This is me:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/earthshaker/majesty
This is yOu:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/gandling/zmugzmug#
Omegalul…
Yes I am a mage and my numbers are compared to 457.000 mage entries, you are enhancement and your parses are compared to 8.100 enhancement shaman entries. Very stunning indeed.
Very funny for sure.
Look my boy, let’s forget about killing me. If you got my hp to 95% at any point over 100 duels I would quit this game. “Im gunne smesh”, sure boy, you won’t even be able to touch me once.
Not that you would be able to hit me if you played a proper class, you play a stupid meme spec so it doesn’t even make sense.
Again, big words because you just can. Classic is a good place for trash like you though, because there is no ratings, achievement or anything to expose how bad you are.
Like said earlier, I am currently sitting on a 9% win rate in AV, 59% win rate in AB, 57% win rate in WSG as a solo player over a few thousand games including premades. (haven’t qued for AV for 2 months)
I won 19 out of my last 20 games in WSG and AB (vs randoms) and only lost to premades for about 2 weeks now.
You are only enjoying your map advantages in a broken garbage map and the only thing your kind will be able to win is AV. You will keep getting farmed in other BGs because believe it or not, you are just pathetic.
your insecurity is showing again 
so you can spam frostbolt, big whoop, you must be so skilled to have great parses as a mage, its not like its common occurrence. hell, i’d be laughing if you didn’t have at least 99.0… i mean, when a meme spec is only 11 points behind you, and that’s taking the massive lack of gearing for my “meme spec” into consideration, then you don’t really look that good, especially for a pure dps class with no hybrid tax.
the only way you would avoid being one-shotted is if i fail to catch you.
this makes me the cat, and you the mouse 
step aside and mind your place in the food chain, you 1 button vending machine.
i find it funny that for all your great parses and bragging skeelz you still can’t manage to win any BGs except for when you premade.
just like it was on AV release. i guess it comes with the territory… or lack thereof 
I had 99.6 parses on retail as a balance druid, one button or one hundred buttons won’t make a difference, I can play my class.
Also you are absolutely ignorant and worthless if you think its about spamming 1 button, that explains why you are 65 parsed with a meme spec. Again, it compares you to other players of your class/spec, so even if its 1 spell (which isn’t, otherwise I wouldnt be able to do dps on many bosses) it shows that I can press that 1 button better than other players of my class.
And you can’t even do that…
Also, this stupid meme about 1 button mage thing. Some imbecile streamer talked about it once and all his bald loving spergs are like “omg mage 1 button lul”. Yo sperg, in classic every class has a super basic rotation. Warlocks cast shadowbolt, hunters cast aimed shot+multi shot, balance druids cast starfire, rogue spam sinister/slice and dice and warriors use bloodthird+heroic strike for their entire rotation. Every class is effing easy to play and there is no class with a proper rotation. Hey idiot, welcome to classic, it’s an easy spamfest.
One-shotted? Boy, let me tell you again, the chances of you one-shotting me is zero. The chances you will be able to hit me is zero. The chances that you will be able to break my shields even if your 0.0000000000001% chance winfury jackpot happens, is zero. I never ever lost to an enhancement shaman as a frost mage. Also, you are so childish with that “you run i chase lul” no my little boy, I will just root you in place and delete you in a global. I’m not playing a meme spec, I’m playing a mage, which can do your windfury proc damage every two seconds.
I’m winning all my BGs, on 3 different classes ever since I stopped queuing for AV. You, get camped in every AB/WSG game and can only win in AV where the map is skewed, and you are pretending to be a winner. You are just pathetic and I have good evidence of that.
End of this story.
I had 99.6 parses on retail as a balance druid, one button or one hundred buttons won’t make a difference, I can play my class.
even a retarded infant could play mage though. and retail is not something im going to argue about here, maybe you should go back there though, i think you’d have more fun playing your druid on retail, hell, i’d go insane if all i had to do during raids is spam 1 button for single target dps and 1 button for aoe during trash. gratz, you got 2 buttons to press depending on the situation 
Also you are absolutely ignorant and worthless if you think its about spamming 1 button, that explains why you are 65 parsed with a meme spec. Again, it compares you to other players of your class/spec, so even if its 1 spell (which isn’t, otherwise I wouldnt be able to do dps on many bosses) it shows that I can press that 1 button better than other players of my class.
you can spam your 1 button better than other players of your class? oh man let me clap for you 
i guess you’re one of those mages that never decurse on the bosses where its needed then? i bet the other mages in your guild love you for that as well. i too love it when my fellow melee makes my job harder by not doing their part.
Also, this stupid meme about 1 button mage thing
memes are born of truth, and this is the truth.
Some imbecile streamer talked about it once and all his bald loving spergs are like “omg mage 1 button lul”
hey man i hate asmongold too, relax bruh. don’t let him get to you on a personal level like that! just ignore him and keep spamming that frostbolt.
Warlocks cast shadowbolt, hunters cast aimed shot+multi shot, balance druids cast starfire, rogue spam sinister/slice and dice and warriors use bloodthird+heroic strike for their entire rotation.
if every class is so god damn easy to play, how come you play the easiest? don’t you find it boring?
One-shotted? Boy, let me tell you again, the chances of you one-shotting me is zero. The chances you will be able to hit me is zero. The chances that you will be able to break my shields even if your 0.0000000000001% chance winfury jackpot happens, is zero. I never ever lost to an enhancement shaman as a frost mage. Also, you are so childish with that “you run i chase lul” no my little boy, I will just root you in place and delete you in a global. I’m not playing a meme spec, I’m playing a mage, which can do your windfury proc damage every two seconds.
yeah yeah i get it, 157 confirmed kills and elite military secret service navy seal.
I’m winning all my BGs, on 3 different classes ever since I stopped queuing for AV. You, get camped in every AB/WSG game and can only win in AV where the map is skewed, and you are pretending to be a winner. You are just pathetic and I have good evidence of that.
End of this story.
57% and 59% is barely above half of your BG’s, and 9% for AV lmao git gud.
and besides, what happened to your “im done with you after this post”-attitude you had earlier? am i getting under your skin, sir vending machine?
Tell me, on how many bosses in MC/BWL combined do you actually have to do anything other than frost bolt and decurse? is there even a single fight where your class is required to actually move around?.. firemaw perhaps? oh i guess that explains your poor performance on him in particular, lol.
make me some water and give me an int buff and go back to your turret mode dps lol.
Alot of players goes AFK as alliance in AV… Or probably not that many cuz most are bots.
I still think it’s pretty fair due to horde having to wait 1 hour in queue and alliance losing every game.
Though it’s not fun for anyone…
And a retarded infant can play enhancement shaman too, as we can see in your case.
I do decurse, as well as I do polymorph on certain encounters.
Oh and by the way kiddo, good mages are waiting for AQ to release, maybe you don’t know that fire is actually a bit more fun to play. I raided 1 ZG as fire spec, did 1.4k dps overall, felt good.
What kind of a fail guild has debuff slot for corruption? Maybe yours does.
Again what retarded hunter uses arcane shot in his rotation?
You’re a funny lad. Look vlad, we are talking about basic rotation here, not cooldowns and utility abilities. If you count all that shizzle, we mages also use decurse, arcane power, presence of mind, fire ward on most bosses, blink, ice barrier(if WC), fire blast and CoC on nightfall proc window (you are a bad joe so you dont know these), arcane explosion on most bosses for aoeing adds, also just use your little nut for a minute and check what spells mages use during a raid from logs or something, or i will just do it for you:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NChByFdL19p2Gcbj#type=damage-done&options=1792&boss=-3&difficulty=0&source=38
I have 11 sources of damage during the raid, you have 8. And you are such a shameless dog that you can talk about easy rotations.
Again, all classes are easy in classic and none of them requires an extensive rotation, I got 6 classes to 60, one of them is a feral druid, all is easy af. But playing on vanilla+private servers at least my class will have a lot more complicated playstyle in a few months.
Enhancement shaman is even easier than a mage, look at this:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tc8aNgGdfp2vC7VP#type=damage-done&boss=-3&difficulty=0&source=30
76% of your overall dps is white auto attacks. How stupid and useless can you really be to talk about a class being easy playing this?
As I said, almost all my losses are to premades. And as I again said earlier, all alliance players have extremely good win rates in WSG/AB and extremely bad wr in AV.
And a retarded infant can play enhancement shaman too, as we can see in your case.
so basically “No u” 
I do decurse, as well as I do polymorph on certain encounters.
Oh and by the way kiddo, good mages are waiting for AQ to release, maybe you don’t know that fire is actually a bit more fun to play. I raided 1 ZG as fire spec, did 1.4k dps overall, felt good.
oh, i’m sorry i almost forgot mages actually have a CC ability they need to use on… 1 raid boss encounter in total, that being Majorhomo. sorry, you got 2 and a third of a quarter buttons to use 
(and no, ZG doesn’t count).
well in that case druids got sleep, warlocks got banish, hunters got trap, priests have shackle… you aren’t special dude, as a matter of fact all these 4 classes use their CC abilities more than you ever use yours during raids.
What kind of a fail guild has debuff slot for corruption? Maybe yours does.
keyword there being IF there is room for it, which obviously there never really is.
Again what retarded hunter uses arcane shot in his rotation?
i don’t see why he wouldn’t its cheap instant non-attack-interrupting dps. on that same note, what makes you think they would use multishot? (which they do as well, but im curious as to your logic here).
You’re a funny lad. Look vlad, we are talking about basic rotation here, not cooldowns and utility abilities. If you count all that shizzle, we mages also use decurse, arcane power, presence of mind, fire ward on most bosses, blink, ice barrier(if WC), fire blast and CoC on nightfall proc window (you are a bad joe so you dont know these), arcane explosion on most bosses for aoeing adds, also just use your little nut for a minute and check what spells mages use during a raid from logs or something, or i will just do it for you:
oh you mean those abilities that you use once in a blue moon when you manage to somehow f*** up and get aggro or stand in fire like oblivious noobs?
arcane power, oh you mean that ability you use when your 1 button rotation needs a refresh lol imagine running out of mana as a top parsing mage in the first place… presence of mind for harder frost bolt dps lol might as well macro that into your 1 button rotation and call it a day. like literally, knowing when to use Orc’s bloodfury racial is more complicated than that.
I have 11 sources of damage during the raid, you have 8. And you are such a shameless dog that you can talk about easy rotations.
i think you misinterpret the purpose of an enhancement shaman, yeah sure 8 sources of damage, at least 10 more buttons to push totemwise, depending on the situation, not to mention the occasional off-heal or purge. but being the pure dps class that you are, of course i should expect nothing less than a solely dps-oriented mind 
Again, all classes are easy in classic and none of them requires an extensive rotation, I got 6 classes to 60, one of them is a feral druid, all is easy af. But playing on vanilla+private servers at least my class will have a lot more complicated playstyle in a few months.
and you main play the most boring, and easy and overly rewarding class out of them all. talk about cutting corners lol.
and btw. in my guild we have a whole meme about you private server elitists who think nobody else has experience playing on private servers, you see on private servers we don’t even need our mages to cast frostbolt because we can down the boss without it, oh and on private servers we don’t get world buffs or flasks because they’re redundant, and on private servers our guild bank was filled with black lotuses when we first made our level 1 characters, and on private servers (yadda yadda yadda…)
guess what, playing on a private server doesn’t make you better than everyone else
Enhancement shaman is even easier than a mage.
76% of your overall dps is white auto attacks. How stupid and useless can you really be to talk about a class being easy playing this?
That’s just the way enhancement shaman works, its based on lucky WF bursts. a shamans main priority is to maintain totems, keep up elemental devastation (for even more crits) using shocks, and stormstrike with the occasional purge of enemy buffs. yes, pretty simple, but not as simple as spamming frost bolt all raid long. sure 76% of my damage is white dps, but i’m willing to bet over 85% of yours is frostbolts.
As I said, almost all my losses are to premades. And as I again said earlier, all alliance players have extremely good win rates in WSG/AB and extremely bad wr in AV.
welcome to the club, everyone’s losses are the result of the opposing team being a premade. here’s what i can tell you though, even in pugs i win more than 50% of my WSGs and AB’s and i have a winrate in AV of about 98%.
oh and about your unbreakable shield? i suppose you’ve never heard of purge.
EDIT: i just realized i mistook arcane power for evocation, lol only furthers my point though, just macro both into your frost bolt and call it a day 
EDIT2: Lol you’re a frost mage btw, so your point about Arcane power and Presence of mind are null and void since you wouldn’t have talent points to get either if you’re deep frost, which i suppose you are since you argued i wouldn’t be able to break your ‘shield’ which i presume is ice barrier.
You are a clueless kid and again you don’t know anything about this game so I know I’m just wasting my time. Check what is arcane power and what is mana ruby, I ain’t your dad so you learn basics from wowhead.
Again, if your guild/group makes you heal, its a fail group, but yeah you are there. Purge what exactly? In MC and BWL there is absolutely nothing except mind control on lucifron to purge.
Again, I have 11 spells used, you have 8. You can’t parse 99+ spamming frostbolt, that is for baddies like yourself. If you were playing a mage you would be spamming fb all day and do f all dps as you currently do.
I didn’t say it will, I just tried a pserver before classic’s launch to see what is good. And fire mage was good, challenging and top-notch so I rolled a mage.
Again you are hallucinating boy.
I play the equally boring and easy class as any other currently and not rewarding all that good first 4 phases. (frost mage)
I also play the most enjoyable and complicated class after phase 5 which will also be super rewarding (fire mage)
My frostbolt damage overall on that raid is 52.54%. Once again you have no clue about the game.
And once again, you are clueless. All mages in the raid except 1 goes 31 arcane - 20 frost for pve spec. We are actually playing arcane spec with frost talents.
You have no idea about the game, all you do is hurr durr I can oneshot you hurr durr.
You can’t boy, you and your ret pala friends think you are so amazing when once in 10 years you get a 2k damage with a proc. Try other classes and see how easy yours is and how better others are, I wasted so much time with this nonsense it’s unreal.