Ha! Replace “people” with “alliance” and “honor” with “rep” in that sentence and BANG! you have the reason why Alliance lose AV so much in Classic.
I know all about that. When you only care about rep there are three ways to lose AV. You can lose fast. You can lose slow. And, you can win slow.
It’s not a problem for the Horde so Blizzard will do nothing.
Mhm along with all of these that where available when Alliance was winning. The Horde has more player and due to the racial skills more pvp tryhards join the Horde.
Alliance still que AV map?
i suppose a “tryhard” in the eyes of an alliance player is people who plays to win, unlike a certain other faction we know.
i know your type… you’re the kind of person that makes an insane bet to try and sound like there is no way the guy you have an argument with could be right.
and then when proven wrong and its time to pay up you quietly slither into the night, never to be heard from again. so no thanks, keep your $1000 because there is no way in hell you would actually make good on that promise.
otherwise you might as well just hand me that money right now, because i am absolutely positive that it would be the case that horde would still be winning.
even if alliance got a 60 second head start on top of horde cave being put behind their base they’d be losing, because they are defeatists who give up the second the game isn’t going their way.
these type of people are also known as “throwers” in gamer slang.
I’m a casual player and I do a lot of premades (well, “a lot”, just 50-100k a week).
If alliance are full of defeatists then they wont be winning majority of thier games as a pug v pug in other bgs . Stop being such a Horde bias player , your name says it all man.
Plus you dont even know me to throw these random words , show some respect Im an old man here . 
lets be honest, even if we could somehow test this out and i was proven right, you never had any intention of paying up.
I know it’s annoying but nothing will be done about it, so it’s a waste of time to even discuss it all the time.
Just get your rep to whatever level you like by losing all the time and never queue again. I got 3 characters to exalted and 4th is on the way, and once I’m exalted I never touched AV again.
Also since there are premades plaguing WSG/AB(for both factions) and world pvp is just a bunch of sapper charge heroes, I think classic pvp overall is stinking trash.
What I decided to do for this reason is, just do PvE in classic and see/re-experience old raids etc. then do pvp in another game or retail. I can assure you that it is a lot more enjoyable, fair and skill based than classic.
That’s more or less that.
Classic pvp is a oneshot fest horrible trash so I wouldn’t even bother trying to fix it. TBC will be a bit better with resillience gear and arena where you can actually test your skills a bit in a proper environment.
So why did blizzard change the map 15 years ago by moving horde cave? Horde had the same issues and they responded by changing the map. Except now we’re playing the horde favored version of the map with reverse populations.
Read my second post
Do you have any proof that the Alliance pugs are winning majority of the pug v pug bgs? As i have said before my winrate in pugs is overwhelmingly positive 80% or so. I might be outside of the norm so i would like to see some source for what you are saying.
There is no large-scale data because blizzard blocks add-ons that want to accumulate data.
But since most people are having similar experiences individually, apparently the map design is quite substantial. On my personal BGhistory addon, I have:
9% win - 91% loss in AV
53% win - 47% loss in AB
51.4% win - 48.6% loss in WSG
Keeping in mind that I exclusively went with randoms for so long, a lot of my WSG/AB losses were against premades so pug vs pug should be even more positive in favor of the alliance side.
But according to some zugzugs above, alliance players are all bad pvpers and they are defeatists so map design has nothing to do with our AV records. Fine, yeah.
Fixing the backdoor and solo pull glitches would be enough to make things fairer for both sides.
But you would hear crying from the horde so freaking much that we’d be in Shadowlands within the week.
It would be nice to do so the backdoors to both bases are just an oversight in the developers part or at least i hope they are and as such they should be made inpassable.
I belive we agree to disagree here as it’s too subjective without official data, but that’s still hold that as far as I have seen it Alliance pug goers give up quicker than the Horde ones do.
My annual income is 100k usd , so betting 1000 doesnt affect me.
If there is any way to record data from any addon , id be gladly to share. As horde and alliance player , horde tends to lose more in other bgs than AV . Grinding r10 for both factions , i got r10 on main in one month and a half on my alliance , while it took me two months to reach centurion ( rank 9 ) on my horde.
Mostly solo on both factions.
Whats the addons name
Have you ever wondered why the majority of Alliance, like yourself, doesn’t even know that the Horde base have a backdoor to?